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Thread Mindy Kaling series "Never Have I Ever" drops Season 2 Trailer, all episodes out July 15th 2021
There doesn't seem to be much activity about the show on this forum so I don't think you need to keep things spoiler free, but I'll continue to respect it and keep my responses in tags: I realize that I am in the minority though. Both season have a 90+% on RT so most people must love it, which is cool. I'm a harsh critic and at this point I am watching the show to support the brown lead actress which we definitely still don't see enough of, and the diverse cast. As many problems as I have with the show, that's always refreshing to see.
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Thread Mindy Kaling series "Never Have I Ever" drops Season 2 Trailer, all episodes out July 15th 2021
So will we be treating this like the OT? Since I couldn't find one, anyway. Here's all I can say summarized from my binging last week: Okay, that was a lot. And I don't blame anyone for not wanting to read any of it, hahahaha
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
Eh. I can't say I feel any more sympathy for him or his downfall. In fact it wasn't entirely convincing how he became undoubtedly loyal to Gus. He continued to hate him until he woke up somewhere off the grid and after a conversation with Gus, decided because he is a lesser of other evils (other cartels) that he deserves to be worked for
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
I posted that scene in the last page, although it's kinda average quality. It pains me every time I go back to watch it because Howard was trying to do what was in his opinion righting a wrong meanwhile Jimmy is just a fucking scumbag. And it's such brilliant acting from both of them.
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
Yeah, I can understand that. In the books though, they go more into Voldemort's backstory which just makes the character a little more interesting. In some ways, Voldemort is the second most important character after Harry, and then Ron and Hermione. This is why I was so disappointed with the sixth movie because the sixth book was by far my favorite. He was still an absolutely evil, but you knew more about him. As far as the other character relations go, I wasn't all that invested in Ron and Hermione because I didn't think they made a great pairing romantically, right now off the top of my head I'd say my favorite character relation was Dumbledore and Snape. So many of the characters in Harry Potter were archetypes.I can empathize with hatred, but I don't know if I've ever taken satisfaction from someone suffering - someone that I know personally, that is. So yes I can relate to the hatred, but I guess I never hated someone so much that I acted upon that hatred to cause them a misfortune. Maybe I never felt that wronged (whatever got me to hate them in the first place). Or, maybe I'm just not that guy. Or, maybe Jimmy is guy who enjoys watching people he doesn't like having problems. Because that is clearly his MO with the schadenfreude.Hmm, I don't have much to say either because I agree with everything you said here. Jimmy is just being extra with this petty behavior and he's gotta get what's coming to him. We still have a little less than half the season left, so let's see how things start to move faster now.
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
I can't say I feel for everyone man. This would make sense for a story like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings (maybe those are bad examples for being fantasy) where it's a clear good vs. evil. What is it about Jimmy's hatred and bitterness that you empathize with?That's how I was feeling, but the tone in those scenes - both the bowling ball scene and the hooker scene - to me, come off as pure comedy i.e. meant to make the viewer laugh. I stopped rooting for her after episode 1. Once she pulled Jimmy into this and tried to drag in some justice for Acker, I immediately thought she sided with the wrong party and won't be surprised if it destroys her, but she brought it entirely onto herself. We see some backstory and a flashback of hers to fill in why she would want to act the way she does, but her story doesn't mirror Acker's. What she said to him episode 1 stuck with me the most, which was that all of his neighbors had to give in, so he shouldn't deserve any special treatment, yet she pivots and decides he deserve special treatment. Maybe she was thinking she was doing the right thing for one person where all the rest weren't able to get moral justice because they had to capitulate to legal justice, or maybe she was convincing herself of that to defy Mesa Verde. But yes, you have a point that every story doesn't have to have a character that the audience needs to root for. But in the first season, I liked Saul and I felt sympathy for him in that scene where Chuck scolds him. Nonetheless, as you said, this is Jimmy's story, and Jimmy is an asshole. This conversation is specifically about what he's been doing to Howard this season, and I don't enjoy watching the asshole being an asshole without any consequences. I don't necessarily see Howard as a good guy or a bad guy, for this season I just see him as a bystander in all the other events that are going on. Unfortunately for him because of bad blood, Jimmy has an unforgiving vendetta and won't let up for his own twisted amusement. The way I see it being interpreted as people rooting for Jimmy is, as I stated before, those scenes just being comedy. Not only that, but comedy filler. Again, unless Howard bites back with Jimmy's guard down, Howard's storyline, this part of his arc in BCS is just filler to add comic relief to what is otherwise a serious drama. I don't see Howard as a good guy or a bad guy. Other than the job offer he gave Jimmy, he's just minding his own business. And I don't know if almost everyone who watches the show likes him. Maybe, maybe not. The only thing I am trying to say in all of this is that if this is all there is to his storyline this season, then this season loses points. In a list of pros and cons, this would be a con in my book, no pun intended. I never rooted for Saul in Breaking Bad, but that was Walter White's show, not Saul's. There was a sea of characters to hate and love in Breaking Bad and Saul was one of them and by the time he showed up everybody knew he was a scumbag when he was introduced because of Jesse mentioning him as a lawyer. So in this sea of characters to despise, among them Saul, I specifically remember him resenting Walter for poisoning Brock. So as much a scumbag he is, the show demonstrated that he has a line he doesn't want to cross and does still have a conscience.I get the point. And I did like him a lot more in season 1. He's Saul now. I just don't want him to constantly have the Ws without any Ls
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
Yes, I agree with you.Perhaps the assertions in this post and in your previous post are on point, but for me and possibly others, it's extremely annoying to watch. I think it's done for comedic effect and maybe I'm in the minority about it all but I agree with that this should all result in Howard retaliating and Jimmy not expecting it - for me, that's the only way Howard's storyline this season is going to be satisfying. Otherwise it's just filler that (I think) is supposed to make the viewer laugh to entertain them and have them be on Jimmy's side of it
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
I'm passed the point of thinking Jimmy's hate needs to be justified. I just don't want him to do it and simply keep getting away with his malignant behavior to a character that doesn't deserve it. If your opinion is that the viewer is not supposed to root for Jimmy, that brings up even more questions. -What is the viewer supposed to be feeling when we see him purposely causing trouble for Howard? -If the viewer is not supposed to root for Jimmy, who the viewer supposed to root for? -Or, is this exactly like Breaking Bad where every character is different shades and no character deserves to be rooted for? Right now I'm not entirely sure if I agree that we're not supposed to be rooting for Jimmy because there are more despicable people on this show than him, but all I know is that watching him do this shit isn't a highlight of this season, nor is it something that makes the season good or plays a strength in it at all.
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
I'm sorry, I worded my post poorly. I meant that, rooting for a party would make more sense in a story like HP or LOTR, where there is a clear good vs. evil battle. Such a thing isn't straight black and white in a show like BCS or BB or even GoT sometimes. Anyway, about Jimmy and Howard. Of course there are people I hate, that I feel bitter about. Those feelings I can empathize with, yeah. But I wouldn't go do some shit that would just cause more problems for them just to stroke my own ego. Especially doing such things behind their back I think would be pathetic and even cowardly to an extent.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
of course I am concerned. like I said, I'm always upset to see whitewashing occur. That's anywhere in Hollywood whether it's television, movies, or voice casting. I expressed doubt about his ethnicity but I didn't immediately assume it, either. But yes, with that being said I am sorry for expressing that doubt with the new news about his heritage. I can't blame my friends for looking into this with the little information available, though. they're hardcore fans of the series and would be doubly disappointed if there was any repeat of the theatrical film. edit: btw, I don't see why you needed to put friends or quotations nor why it matters that Ousley is a teenager. the actors in the movie were teenagers too.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
Then response doesn't make sense, nor was it obvious that you actually read it. And as I said, Superman and by extension Kryptonians are almost always cast as caucasian humans and that isn't ever questioned. Somehow despite the fact that Superman is an alien, his appearance is left up in the air for ambiguous casting. How do you explain that? Because this is exactly why I explain Goku cast as some white guy to be wrong. You say "could have" as if it is hypothetical, but it is a reality. Goku is the main character from a Japanese work of fiction. And that work of fiction drew its inspiration from a Chinese legend. That's more than enough reason in my opinion to have an Asian actor be most appropriate to be cast as Goku, and it does become a case of whitewashing if those in charge of casting tries to make a case for a white actor and cast a white actor instead. So no, casting some white guy was and is wrong and is seen as one of the many reasons why DB Evolution was a failure.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
did you actually read what I wrote? because you just replacing my post with "words" makes me think you didn't. I explained fully my logic for why Goku should be played by an Asian actor if adapted for live action and it definitely isn't random that Trunks was Asian in that fanmade movie, so I'm not going to bother replying to you if you don't actually have something to say in response to what I said.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
true, there really isn't a way to tell. for what it's worth though, I don't think the actor really looks like the character either. Sokka looks more dark skinned than Ousley. maybe the guy killed it in his audition and just deserves it. like I said I'm not really into Avatar so this potential news doesn't affect me that much; I'm always upset to see roles in acting get whitewashed but that's as far as I'm concerned, it was my friends who are diehard Avatar fans who felt really upset and they kept bringing up the M. Night Shyamalan movie too.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
key word is race appropriateI think it was just from reading about the actor. There doesn't seem to be anything conclusive from a Google search, except suggestions pointing to him being caucasian. The threadmarked tweets in this thread also mention the heritage of each of the actors except for his.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
I'm not really into Avatar, but I showed this casting to some of my friends who are and it seems Ian Ousley who portrays Sokka is caucasian. So this does mean they are still whitewashing part of the cast, despite DiMartino and Konietzko claiming they weren't going to do that. One of my friends also said they might have cast Ousley because he appears like he could be racially ambiguous despite the fact that he is, in fact, white.Bulma's and Goku's cases are different since one character is human, and one is a humanoid alien. So when someone says Goku isn't Asian what they really mean - I guess - is that Goku isn't supposed to have the appearance of an Asian person, which is still something I disagree with. In Bulma's case, having her cast by a white actress in a live action adaptation makes sense since she's from the western world in DBZ's version of earth. Apparently Toriyama even designed her to have the appearance of a "western girl". Goku on the other hand was discovered by Gohan in the eastern world of the earth and despite the fact that he is an alien, he's a humanoid alien who has the appearance of a human. The latter is the same exact description that can be used to describe Superman, but as far as I can tell Superman has almost always if not been cast as a white man, so as to be portrayed with the appearance of a white human man. The creators of Superman were presumably white and American, so it makes sense that that's how they envisioned their character to appear live action. As others have said, Goku is based on Son Wukong from Journey to the West, which is a story of East Asian origin. The creator of DBZ is also East Asian and DBZ itself is also a work of East Asia so it makes perfect sense to cast Goku as Asian in a live action adaptation and it's why I would argue that Justin Chatwin's casting was another instance of whitewashing. DBZ: Light of Hope got the casting right. 17, 18, and Bulma were all played by white actors while Gohan and Trunks were played by Asian actors.
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
whoa what? why did they leave production? damn, I don't know if that's gonna mean good or bad news for the Netflix show. Then again, I dunno if they were involved with the film adaptation either. but yes, I was referencing this article from 3 years ago when they were still working on it:
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Thread Avatar Netflix: Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko Casting.
ugh. this definitely sounds like it will not bode well for the Netflix series. I dunno what they're thinking here but they should be aware that history is about to repeat itself if they don't work with the original authors.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| Dawn FM OUT NOW
Not sure if this was posted, but there is a music video for SacrificeAfter repeated listens, this feels like the first Weeknd album where this almost no remnants of his old sounding self on it. Besides the toxicity, of course. Then I went and checked the production and the only legacy XO producer on it is DaHeala on Best Friends, and I think that has a lot to do with it. This is not an R&B album at all, this is pop and synth pop fully. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but that's why this just doesn't sound like The Weeknd to me.I see. I only got to listen to this while driving yesterday, but I liked Tyler's verse on Here We Go...AgainWhich track was the monologue? I couldn't really look at the names of the songs while I was listening but I will probably end up listening to the album about 50-100 times more to formulate a more complete opinion.I tend to agree with this, and it is only the second track!I also like Less Than Zero. If it is the song I am thinking of, it kinda like an evolution from Save Your Tears.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| Dawn FM OUT NOW
Wow really? Then yes you definitely need to give it another go haha It is very different from all of the rest of his albums.I agree. I tried my best to put this into words in the OP, but Kiss Land as his debut studio album feels like a reflection of his mixtapes- but still an evolution from them since it is a studio album. Kiss Land still sounded like the same Weeknd all in all, but Beauty Madness was his commercial debut. But as mainstream as it was I still think it contains his best record of all time (The Hills).
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Thread PlayStation 5 |OT| Play Has No Limits
you're right! I've been super busy and away from home, but it was delivered today. it's interesting because when I placed the order, Walmart said it would arrive by January 3rd. which is fine to me, I wasn't ordering it for Christmas but for early next year. But it ended up getting here on Christmas Eve. I guess Walmart was doing that to cover their own asses just in case it didn't get here by the holiday since they're expecting most if not all people buying Ps5s right now for that reason
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Thread Mass Effect Andromeda ain't that bad...
In my opinion, there is always a difference between saying that something ain't bad, and saying that something ain't bad. If you're saying it ain't that bad, then you're saying it is bad, but not as bad as a consensus of it may be. If you're saying it ain't bad, then you're saying it is good. But speaking of consensus, regardless of how good or bad any player might find Andromeda to be, I think the consensus either way is that it does not hold up to the original trilogy.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| The dawn is coming...
Better late than never I suppose :\ new music with FKA Twigs, and a posthumous release with Aaliyah. And yesterday comes with the 10 year anniversary of Echos of Silence. The vintage audio is now available on Spotify and new merchandise is available on the website.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| The dawn is coming...
thank you for posting this. Biggest billboard record of all time is kind of a big deal ;)I'll be honest, the only Rosalia I ever heard was this and the Blinding Lights remix. But the production on this was something else!This is the second or third time this year he's released a new music video for an old song. The first one was Try Me, then Can't Feel My Face which already had a music video, now this which always seemed like one of the most popular tracks from this album. I am guessing this was a tribute to Starboy's 5 year anniversary. Regarding the merch drop, I kinda wanted the cross t shirt:
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Thread LTTP: Devilman Crybaby - What the absolute hell?
as many have echoed in this thread, I definitely have no desire to watch this show ever again. beyond the sex, gory violence and general obscenity, it is just too depressing. but it definitely has stuck with me, I'll never forget the experience of binging through it. plus, I still bump the theme often: I can relate to this as well. There is no good feeling to be had by the end of it even though it was effective. I also agree with your sentiment in your followup post as well
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Thread One year later: Do you own a next gen system? What do you think of it?
I got a Ps5 at launch, plan on getting a Series S to gift it to someone and also would like a Series X. I was kinda hoping the Switch OLED was a Switch pro, I would've gotten that too.
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
ah, I see. most of the shots I take are in the "orange" zone, so wherever you were, that explains why your shots are far more stellar than literally all of mine lol but you know what else this means, it means you still haven't seen your phone's full potential with astrophotography. not until you go into the "dark green" zone
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
there was a Nov 2021 update for Pixel 6? I just checked and it said my phone is up to date... also, does anyone else have this problem where you have a smart speaker in the room which is also a Google assistant, and you say "hey Google" but both the speaker and the phone are listening to you but you just want the speaker's attention?
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
ugh, that's so stupid. in fact this morning, my Verizon service just suddenly went out for whatever reason. I had to go onto airplane mode and then back just to get service back. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
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Thread Android 12 sure is an ugly turd
I feel like an idiot asking you this but where do I even go to add widgets?I don't know if I am using a widget at all, I just have it on the top left corner in small print saying Tue, Nov 2nd and right underneath it a little partly cloudy symbol followed by the temp (52 degrees)
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Thread Android 12 sure is an ugly turd
Android 12 looks the same for me as the beta. How do I get it to look more bubbly? The date and temperature are the same little icons they always were, but in all the coverage I've seen of it, it's supposed to be this huge diagonal bubble on the home screen
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
I had to sign up for 100GB of Google One because immediately after I ported over all my shit from the 4 XL to the 6 pro, my Google account got filled up. And even then, Google says they upload all my photos in original quality, but there is no way the image below is original, right? It looks compressed as fuckI am such a fucking moron, how do I activate it? I feel like the place where I'd go to do it will instead leave a voice note and send that, which is not what I want.
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
I haven't done much video yet, but this should show what my concern is: if you look and see there is a lot of noise during the recording, if it is happening to other people on the 6 and 6 pro then I guess that is just how the cameras are for recording and photo taking Once I take some more samples I'll try these out
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Thread That spooky af episode of The Wild Thornberrys (and other children's shows with one)
I knew exactly what you were talking about as soon as I read your thread title, OP. On a side note, The Wild Thornberrys was a very underrated Nickelodeon cartoon.
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
I was very lucky that I got the delivery yesterday, but now I'm getting the feeling maybe I got a defective model. There is so much noise when I take pictures especially with the selfie camera, and when I zoom into shots they all look so blurry
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
got it, I haven't had the chance to use it that much and the main reason I got it was for the upgrade in astrophotography, and that feature itself is the reason why I got the Pixel 4 XL two years ago but it feels like mine is defective, because all the test shots I've taken are noisy, the shutters are also full of noise or lines when I boot them up and zooming into the pictures I shot look madd blurry without detail unless I'm just an idiot and I haven't set something up in the camera settings on the phone
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Thread PS5 owners, have you bought a $70 game yet?
as many others already said, Demon's Souls. The only game I paid full price for because I just really wanted to support the developer. But outside of any special/deluxe/collector's editions, I won't ever pay full price this generation again with that $70 price tag. And I won't need to either with my giant ass backlog
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
yeah unfortunately this is what I'm seeing too, but the best thing that reviewers seem to point out about them is the price. The 6 series is a flagship, not the best flagship, but for the price of the lower end model it is a really good value.
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Thread The Isle of Bigsnax, a free Bugsnax update, is coming early 2022
It hasn't even been a full year yet and I get feelings of nostalgia just thinking or playing this game. I didn't catch the State of Play but I was told about this update and fuck yes I'm happy for some more Bugsnax! As others have said, I am hoping that YH is still working on a true sequel as well
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
I have a chance to buy the phone locked to Verizon from Best Buy, since the Amazon unlocked preorder won't arrive till Monday. But I am wondering if I should swallow my pride and just wait until Monday because I prefer having an unlocked phone. I feel like the bloatware on a Verizon locked phone will ruin the experience.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| "Moth to a Flame" New song OUT NOW
Here you go, Era. Enjoy. EDIT: I mistakenly thought the media function was working for all videos again.Right, I've never really been to a concert so I didn't know that this was an ongoing trend. It could just be the after effects of the coronavirus, you know? Even though this year is better than last year in terms of safety, we're still in a pandemic. But since you said you've been to his concerts before, what were the previous ticket prices compared to now?Hmm maybe MetLife stadium is bigger?
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| "Take My Breath" New single OUT NOW
New music tonight y'all!Damn, he's been cancelling and reinitiating shows for more money? What would be a fair price you'd say? People always asks me - like even before the pandemic - whether I've ever seen him live. But as obsessed as I am with this man's music, I have never been to his concert.Why is MetLife stadium so bad?
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
I have the stormy black and the 30W charger in my cart on google.com, but I really wanted the sorta sunny which I already have preordered on Amazon. I'm wondering if the 256GB of storage is worth getting the colorway I don't really want
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
where did you do this?sorta sunny, I've been in love with that colorway ever since I saw it in the prereleased renders. I don't understand why it is available only in 128GB. I need more space and I don't think phone allows for SD cards
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
that's what I'm planning to do too. I hope they ship fastah yes there is that, but it is definitely possible that other retailers will offer bonuses too right? when I bought a Pixel 4 at BB even though I ended up returning it, they gave me a digital $100 voucher
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Thread Game of Thrones: What season was of the show was the worst, not counting the final season?
reading through this thread it seems like some folks do feel like the series was troubled as it progressed but not necessarily that it was at its low point in the first half. although it would be good to get an explanation for voting on that, even if it is just 11
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
I see. So if I preorder the first day of preordering, I'll get my device immediately?Oh okay. The charging stand does look like it will be a significant improvement over the first Pixel stand.
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
you bought a 3rd party charging stand? but there is a new Pixel stand rumored to be announced tomorrow too I thinkI didn't expect it when I first heard the rumor, but I am ready to go all out with buying this phone. So will preorders go up after the event tomorrow?
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Thread Crazy how Marvel and Disney lied so much in their Loki marketing. Spoilers obviously
I hated this show so much but I have to hard disagree with your last sentence. The finale of the show redeemed my ever dwindling opinion of Loki and I thought Jonathan Majors portrayed his character as intended
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
100%, this shouldn't even be a question. This past summer I was doing some astrophotography with my Pixel 4 XL, which when put on a tripod will process an astroshot for up to 4:06 minutes. My cousin was with me and he had the Galaxy S21 I think, I put it on the tripod and without any processing time just night mode - he got a decent amount of stars in it. I was amazed. The Pixel 6 series should at least be able to do that too without any processing time. And there's the astrophotography mode, lol
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Thread Google announces Pixel Fall launch event for October 19th (10 am PT)
the video will get all of the added benefits of the new sensor, but because the Pixel series is known for taking pictures first and foremost they're probably hyping that up because of the notion that it'll reclaim the crown in mobile photography
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Thread Game of Thrones: What season was of the show was the worst, not counting the final season?
I had this about a year ago, but it massively backfired. So I'm trying again to do it right this time. Imagine we live in a world without season 8. In some strange universe, the show gets cancelled after season 7. I think a lot of people say that this show started to get a little bad as early as season 5, and as I understand it that part of the show has some of the biggest controversies. Then there is season 6 and 7 which had 7 episodes and got a lot of heat too. Besides the real ending of the show, what season was the worst? 5? 6? Or 7? Or is the worst season of Game of Thrones somewhere between 1-4? What do you think?
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Thread As a PS5 owner, it bothers you that Sony will have just 1 big AAA PS5 only original game in 3 years?
well it isn't a problem for me either way as I said earlier, but the fact that this thread has been so popular makes me think there are others who feel the same way that OP does about the situation
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Thread As a PS5 owner, it bothers you that Sony will have just 1 big AAA PS5 only original game in 3 years?
I guess it is just that a lot of people who own Ps5s also owned Ps4s and were really used to having more exclusives in a single year, not thinking about it being the first year or a launch year.
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Thread As a PS5 owner, it bothers you that Sony will have just 1 big AAA PS5 only original game in 3 years?
I'm personally not bothered by it, only because I have such a huge backlog of Ps4 games that I still hadn't finished on Ps4 that I'm now getting through on Ps5. I started Persona 5 Royal back in the spring, and I think I'm a little over halfway through it. Then I gotta play Yakuza 5 Remastered, then Persona 5 Strikers, then Fist of the North Star Lost Paradise, just to name a few. I bought Kena at full price to support the developers but chances are I won't even get around to playing it until sometime next year. But for the topic of this thread, I can understand why some folks are bothered by the slower release schedule.
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Thread Venom: Let There Be Carnage SPOILER THREAD - the future is bright
this gets me wondering, is Marvel Studios gonna recast Carnage as a variant in the MCU, and then Spider-Man and Venom team up to defeat him as Venom 3: Maximum Carnage? That would make Venom 3 a film that takes place in the MCU universe, but still not part of the MCU franchise. So even though that movie's universe will be shared as the same as the MCU's main universe, perhaps Sony will still have to treat it as a Sony's Spider-Man universe movie and just not talk or bring up anything that happened in the Avengers or other crossovers etc. let alone can we expect any MCU characters to show up in it. ...can we?
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Thread RTTP - Daredevil aka A Goddamn Masterpiece (Spoilers)
The MCU is very silly in 'power level' terms too. We see in phase 1 that Captain America is no match for Loki, and in the same movie Iron Man is able to hold his own against Thor for a lot longer than Cap did against Loki, and Thor's strength is comparable to Loki's yet is still stronger. Then in phase 2 Cap fares better against Ultron than he did Loki and in phase 3 he's able to best Iron Man. Honestly Cap's strength really annoys the shit outta me in the MCU. On the contrary though with Daredevil, I like how he doesn't always win. It makes the show more compelling than some of the stories told in the MCU films in my opinion, making the character look and feel more vulnerable. It's been a while since I watched season 2, but didn't Punisher win against Daredevil by realizing his strengths and using them against him? Shooting him close to his helmet and then forcing him to deal with hypersensitivity the next day which for him is 10x worse than the average person
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well keep in mind that the show was meant to be in the MCU to begin with. But I kind of agree, in that thread I said that the series should be soft-rebooted when reintroduced to the MCU. It's tough to scale how strong Daredevil is compared to the Avengers but the tone of the series is also much darker than the films, Daredevil is in grittier situations than Hawkeye or Widow find themselves in so I don't think he former is any weaker than them. As for Kingpin, we kind of see him do things in Daredevil that a peak human might not even withstand, like getting tased and cracking concrete by punching it.
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but that's exactly what they are though. each episode takes the first act of a feature length MCU film and changes it, but for some reason Marvel Studios thought these alternate takes were not worth portraying with their own feature lengths. anyway, I love seeing the MCU's ongoing success so even though I'm not into this show, more power to you for enjoying!you mean Cap's strength in 616 is peak human right? Because the SSS in the MCU definitely gives a human much more than peak human ability. He does things Batman can't do and Bruce Wayne is also supposed to be a peak human
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well I can't say it is the case for all MCU characters though. 616 Cap doesn't have superhuman strength, right? But MCU Cap does, so I think it is safe to say he's more based on the Ultimate version.then let's agree to disagree. the fact that each of these 30 minute episodes are meant to be alternate versions of feature length films is more than enough reason as to why the show never feels satisfying. so much happens crammed into half an hour and every single episode's plot suffers because of it.
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"hey it's a cartoon" but it's a cartoon based on feature length films. if they're trying to tell stories that are meant to be just as compelling as the MCU films the episodes are based on, then they need to have the running time closer to feature length. cramming it all into a half hour doesn't do the show any justice, it doesn't matter if it is a cartoon. I wouldn't say fighting Thanos doesn't bring anything new, seeing as how we never saw Thanos vs. Ultron in the MCU. So it is certainly something new. And I don't know if Ultron would realistically win either, so him immediately bisecting Thanos who had all the infinity stones felt way too convenient. It also made me ponder the question, why didn't Vision try that on Thanos in IW if it was that easy?I just want to point out that in one of the 2012 scenes in Endgame with astral Bruce and the Ancient One, they themselves were already using the words "timeline" and "reality" interchangeably. Steve Rogers' final scene in the MCU confused a lot of people and it looks like the directors and screenwriters also gave two different answers which made it all the more confusing. One party said Steve went back to the main MCU timeline and lived in it with Peggy in the background (which completely contradicts what Bruce was saying), and the other party said he went in the past and lived with Peggy in an alternate timeline as we understand it, then returned to the main one to sit on that bench.I think this is because back when Loki was still airing, people thought timelines and universes were meant to be separate things. To me, these timelines are parallel universes and the stones would work there. The question, which isn't really a relevant one, is would the stones work in a universe that's independent to the MCU's like the Raimi universe or the Fox-X Men universe I was going to add how I've always been hearing from comic book readers that Thanos was way stronger in the comics than in the MCU
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also relevant to this I guessoh okay, sorry I misunderstood but yes I think the same thing. If the MCU's new suit was an evolution of sorts from what we saw in the show and also incorporates this black suit with red ropes from the comics then I think we have ourselves the right look for Daredevil coming back
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I disagree. The Avengers created several new timelines simply by traveling to the past. And to me, those new alternate timelines are just parallel universes to the main universe. The Watcher was probably seeing what was happening in each of the alternate timelines as well in his multiverse observatory as they are all alternate realities, just like each episode of this show. And that's why the stones still work. I think if an MCU character traveled to a universe that wasn't parallel to theirs, say to the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man universe or the X-Men universe, that's when the infinity stones wouldn't work. Because those universes aren't parallel to the MCU's, they're distinct timelines of their own.I'd say the biggest problem with the show overall is the pacing. The fact that each episode is meant to be based on an alternative take on a previous MCU installment, each of which is feature length yet every episode is relatively half an hour long is a major problem. the episodes should have been 45 minutes each, at least. in the case of this episode I certainly think that there should have at least been a fight scene comparable to one from the movies especially since Thanos had acquired the majority of the stones at that point.
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ah interesting, so I guess this whole copycat thing was also from the comics. I didn't know that either. But yeah, the fact that the character was in these anti-hero teams in the comics is more reason to bring the Netflix version back and have Valentina recruit him.you mean the comic book version of this black suit? I actually don't remember him having ropes around his forearms at all the last time I saw a picture of it. It was more similar to S1 which is the same here just without the ropes. and also in S3 it looks like he has another layer of a mask under the black one
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Well if they do adapt a suit like this I'm sure they'll design it with live action translation in mind. And by that I mean it won't be just a 1:1 comic to screen suit adaptation. Maybe if the red on the suit was darker like blood red it would be better. And yeah there isn't a need for the headband either.You're right, this would also be a good followup to season 2 where Matt was defending Frank Castle.I agree, better or on par with a lot of MCU movies and D+ shows. But then again, that doesn't take away from the MCU. Not every movie has to be a masterpiece to be a good movie.I think the show got messy on its own sometimes for having 13 episodes every season. Sometimes the pacing was a little off. If they had the power to feature a guest and did have an episode or two person season with guest characters I don't think that would have hurt.
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As others have stated, making all of Netflix MCU canon means making everything they did with the Hand canon which was the low point of Daredevil & Defenders. I didn't ever watch Luke Cage, JJ, or Iron Fist after their first seasons though and I didn't watch Punisher at all, so I can't comment on the good or bad of those but what I can say is that Iron Fist season 1 was so bad that everything about it has to go. The only thing out of that show I did like was Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing, so they should definitely bring her back too.We all will.Yeah, this suit looks like a natural evolution of the outfits he's worn on the whole show. It's just perfect with the red rope gauntlets too. And I did a bit of reading about Blindspot, looks like he has worked with Daredevil and like him has been encountered as an enemy of the Hand.for sure. yeah I agree and I like the look, and it shows how resourceful Matt can be with limited resourches
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This would be cool considering Hawkeye's specialty. Was Bullseye ever an enemy of Hawkeye's in the comics?A full reboot is option 4, but the part I bolded is option 2. If Disney goes with a full reboot, I don't know it even matters to say that the Netflix series is another timeline in the multiverse. If they did that, then it means that alongside the rebooted characters in the main timeline, the Netflix incarnation of the characters still also exist and matter. So would we stories on both sides continue? The mainline Daredevil and the Netflix-timeline Daredevil? If anything I think makes things more complicated. If they do a full reboot, I think they won't acknowledge the Netflix series at all because making a reboot would make the Netflix series not matter anymore.oh really? well if Stick is the same case as the Ancient One where the character is either based on or was supposed to be an elderly Asian character, then yeah just recast him and choose someone more appropriate. I think Scott Glenn is a really good actor but it's not like I feel like he's irreplaceable as Stick.I agree with most of this and I also don't know much about Elektra in the comics, what I do understand is that the two are often at odds but still fall in love at what point or another. I don't think she was ever his arch rival, though.You really think so? Do you think Daredevil showing up in Cap3, Av3, or Av4 would have made the show somehow worse?Agree to disagree about Vanessa because I just really didn't like her arc or that they got married so late and couldn't have Richard Fisk as part of the story. Also, do you mean that comic book continuities change creative teams? Like a certain run or issue continues to get printed but in the middle of that same running story, the writers get changed?Aren't they just ropes wrapped around his forearms?I don't get it, are you going with option 2 or option 4? Option 2 means keeping the same Netflix characters, but making them relevant again via multiverse. This is not unlike how the main villain of Endgame was alternate universe Thanos, and that Gamora's story in the MCU continues but with an alternate version. This option means somehow through the "multiverse of madness" the Netflix characters end up in the MCU from their original timeline. But a full reboot means brand new versions of these characters in the main timeline. This option means the Netflix series has nothing to do with the MCU, except bringing back the cast. Otherwise, why would the Netflix series matter? It's not like characters' arcs would continue.You don't have to tag spoilers for Daredevil. The only things in this thread that should be tagged are Marvel properties which haven't been released yet. Appreciate the love for Nadeem though! But speaking of his last laugh, as I said in the OP if they do pick up with the same Bullseye in a soft reboot, Nadeem's legacy should be carried on in some way. The character shouldn't be forgotten.Wow this is sick, gives me kind of a Dark Knight vibe. Who is that with him in the second picture?
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So happy to see all this love for Nadeem! I tried doing some research on how he got cast and it looks like he just owned it during his audition. I really wonder if the character was always meant to be brown or was altered to be brown and have a family after Ali's audition for the role.
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Yeah seems like we agree on almost everything. We like Elektra but just re-write what they did with her and the Hand. And I get that retconning Urich's death might be too much for a soft reboot but I don't think it crosses into the Spider-Man license, that's just the Daily Bugle and Jameson I think. Urich was never in a Spider-Man movie before and he was in the Fox Daredevil movie.I think they had chemistry it was just an inconsistent level of it. But this scene that you speak of I actually kind of liked it, only because we never really got to see Matt's reaction to coming face to face with his father's killer up until then. And we know Matt really loved his dad.I hope so bud-sigh- when I saw that you had posted in this thread, I had hoped that you would at least have a polite demeanor. Exactly. My understanding is that And honestly, that is enough for me for his reintroduction to this franchise. After all the main focus here is the Spider-Verse and Sinister 6.
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A lot of good posts so far, glad to see this series is well received by our community here.This is what I heard. Hard spoilers if true, so fair warning.Love seeing this positivity! Because I completely agree, as I said in the OP Daredevil not only outdoes some of the MCU movies but ALL of the MCUD+ shows so far.I did just add a poll but not the one you wanted. Sorry to disappoint! But I am with in that I liked all the scenes with black suit better than the red one.I beg to differ. Sure the pacing was off sometimes but that's probably because of some deal between Netflix and Disney about the minimum number of hours each season had to be, which is why they all ended up having 13 episodes. I'm not saying the show is perfect; nothing in the MCU is perfect but generally speaking Daredevil is one of the best if not the best Marvel live action tv show.
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I recently rewatched the season 3 finale of Daredevil and since the character himself has been involved in a lot of rumors lately I figured let's have this thread, and talk about all of the good and the bad that came with it. There is certainly a lot of good and personally I don't care if Marvel Studios wasn't part of the team that made the Netflix series come to life. That doesn't take points away from the Netflix series and it's not like Marvel Studios can do no wrong either. In my opinion the Daredevil series is better than several MCU films and it's still better than all of the MCUD+ original shows as well. There are several ways Disney can bring the character back in the MCU proper. In the past few weeks there have been several threads that had this discussion. The thread, the thread, the thread, and most recently the thread talking about pretty much the same thing, and the popular choice seems to be to canonize the Netflix MCU by making its continuity a parallel one in the MCU franchise's multiverse. I've been vocal about the idea that relying too much on the multiverse to canonize previous properties will come off like a crutch and convenient, especially when the IP was portrayed as being in the MCU from the beginning. But I'm not saying that moving forward, the MCU should treat the Netflix series as fully canon. I think a soft reboot is the best route to take. Let the studio pick and choose what to reference, imply that these characters have a past and skip over the origin story. That's it, and that's enough. There is no need to be fully referential with the full Netflix series; it's not like every MCU property is fully referential with what's come before it either. The fourth route to take is a full reboot, and this route itself has two routes the studio can go. The first is rebooting but keeping the main cast intact; bringing back Charlie Cox, Vincent D'Onofrio, and whoever else from the cast they wish to but having them portray new iterations of the characters we previously didn't see on screen. I imagine not all, but a lot of the fan base would probably be okay with this. The second route is rebooting the character and lore 100%, with a fresh start to everything including the cast. Now this I feel like would be an unpopular choice, but the studio could do it if they wanted to. Now lastly there is one more route the studio could take, which is not do anything with the character at all. Just not bring him into the MCU at all. I don't believe they'd do this either, but they could. I don't think they'd ever just come out and announce that Daredevil has no future in the MCU, but if there was some official indication of sorts, I think people would hate that even more than all of the Netflix roles getting recast. Anyway, like I said, my personal preference is for the studio to do a soft reboot. Since we have 3 good seasons of the show on Netflix, I want to go step by step by what I think should go soft with canon and what should be hard. I don't have that much to say here because I think Matt Murdock's story arc over the course of the three seasons should be overall kept intact. The studio doesn't have to be overly referential with it, but I think Netflix did a good job of portraying his broken childhood; with his father dying when he was a boy and his mother abandoning him. I especially liked Joanne Whalley's portrayal of Sister Maggie and how the revelation of what happened to Matt all came together to him at the basement of the church. The death of Father Lantom was also crucial and his passing was handled well. The important thing to note here though is that Lantom was a Netflix original character. And original characters have not always been handled well in these shows, but we'll get to that later. Kingpin's reintroduction to the MCU is a little more than Daredevil's though. Now while I definitely think the actor should return for the role, I really think he should be soft rebooted. And by that, I just mean that some - but not all - of his character arc should be changed. For example, I really don't like what they did with Vanessa in the Netflix series. Not the actress, Ayelet Zurer was fine in the role, but I just don't like how they made her a villain too. She didn't really do any villainous things, but she accepted Fisk for the evil man he was and even encouraged him to continue. That ultimately led to her and his first dance getting interrupted by Ray Nadeem's video confession and the re-revelation of "Evil Wilson Fisk" to the public (which had already been done before in the first season) just didn't feel that weighted to me. So if a soft reboot means keeping some things from the past series but changing others, I guess this would make it a major retcon. Honestly I'm kinda fine with them recasting Vanessa but bringing her back is fine, so I'm fine either way. But they should retcon her character to be more comic book accurate, in that she is disgusted by his criminal activities. They can also retcon the couple into having a young adult or grown adult son, Richard Fisk. That would have been impossible with the route they went with in the Netflix, something else I didn't like about that show since Fisk and Vanessa met when they were much older. Adding Richard as a character would also be important considering the rumors about the Kingpin appearing in Hawkeye. And the reason I say this is because Echo becomes Fisk's adopted daughter in the comics. I don't know if Richard or Maya Lopez ever had any interactions in the source material, but these two characters together plotting against their evil father is one plot thread that can be undertaken in her own spinoff show which is already confirmed, I think. Another retcon I can think of is another original character, which is Wesley, Fisk's friend and personal assistant. The character was killed off in the first season and they can just go ahead and not acknowledge this character that'd be fine, but I wouldn't mind having the character be back only to see how annoyed he'd be at Spider-Man. We saw his annoyance with Daredevil but interacting with Spider-Man would be another level of headaches for the person working for Fisk. Initially I wanted to say I don't care what the studio does with these characters, but after thinking about it I think their character arcs should be kept intact. Foggy more so than Karen. Season 3 really delved into Foggy's family issues and how it tied right into Fisk's hand, and they also kept his relationship with Marci Stahl, another original character, consistent throughout the whole series. Although admittedly, the chances of Amy Rutberg returning to the show are kinda low. If they do decide to keep the cast though I'd be pleasantly surprised if they kept the character and the actress. Another character tied to Foggy is Blake Tower, who is a character from the comics. Season 3 ended with Foggy dropping out of the DA race and handing the position to Blake for the win, which I think was a good way to end that plot thread. Blake also appeared in Luke Cage, and if the MCU will have certain IPs focusing more on NYC then this gives the studio a reason to bring back Stephen Rider. There is no need to recast him in my opinion. I guess Karen Page's situation is a little tricky. A lot of people don't like her and understandably so because she has done some pretty shameful things, both during her arc and even in flashbacks. But this could work in two ways. If it is the case that people don't like the character but appreciated her character arc i.e accept her for doing the horrible things she did, then there isn't a need for a soft reboot. On the other hand, if people don't like the character and doubly because of what Netflix did with her, then she should be softly rebooted if and when reintroduced to the MCU. Besides Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio, I'd say it's possible that Deborah Ann Woll is the most recognizable actor to come from the show, and that probably means a lot of the fan base associate the actress with the character. And for that reason, I don't think she should be recast if she's rebooted. Ben Urich was one of my favorite characters in the first season and while Daredevil was able to avenge his death, he was never fully avenged since the Kingpin made it out of prison. I really wouldn't mind if they fully retconned all of this and just literally brought the character back to life, although I understand that something like that is kind of a stretch for a soft reboot. There is also the whole conversation to have about the Daily Bulletin overall. The reason the Daily Bulletin is what it is and not the Daily Bugle is probably because Sony and Disney were still in some sort of negotiating stage when Daredevil was being filmed. But the MCU now has an actual Daily Bugle in the form of Dailybugle.net, but it's meant to be a parody of Info Wars. If the studio decides not to do anything with the Daily Bulletin, then Urich would just be an employee of the Bugle again. But I think it would be better to have the Bulletin back and therefore there would be these two news outlets competing for credibility with the public. Urich could represent the honest, integrity of journalism while Jameson could be there just for smear campaigns which he already has been. We saw this at the end of Far From Home and in the trailer for No Way Home, and it looks like there is no stopping him. If they decide not to keep the Bulletin though, then Urich could just be the character that is the voice of reason in Jameson's ear when he's just in over his head about hating Spider-Man and to a lesser extent Daredevil. I liked Robbie Robertson though, it's sad that Bill Nunn is no longer with us. This is another one of those cases where I don't think the studio needs to be overly referential. With the way the character's arc ended in season 3, it would be very easy to soft reboot him into the MCU. He was a killer villain and antagonist to Daredevil in season 3, and with Valentina seemingly putting together either a Thunderbolts or Dark Avengers team, he can be reintroduced with her approaching him for a spot on this new anti-hero team, which was was a part of in the comics. The season finale showed him in surgery with his spine getting laced with cogmium, so I would retcon this to being adamantium seeing as how Disney got the rights to X-Men now. Being that he was so formidable in season 3, I think fans would be keen to see a future for this iteration of this character that was teased in the finale. I liked Elektra's portrayal and I might be mistaken to say that her casting was a fan favorite, but I think a lot of people would say that her relationship with Matt was really toxic. Eh...I don't know if their relationship was comic book accurate, but then again not everything in the comics are great. Sometimes adaptations have done this better. With that being said, if people would favor bringing her back but be different, I think that's fine. Either way I think they should keep the actress. It was definitely great to see them have someone of color portray the character. I didn't really like the Defenders though, and I know it takes place between seasons 2 and 3 of this show so where we last saw this character...I dunno. Matt survived the collision so I don't see why Elektra couldn't as well. It is important to note though that Eco is also a love interest of Matt Murdock's at some point. Here is the glue that kept all of the Netflix MCU together. Rosario Dawson was great in these series and I think leaving the character alone would be a missed opportunity. I don't think she was in season 3, but she has been there for Matt for so long that I don't think it'd be fair for a soft reboot to ignore that history. It looks like the actress has a good relationship with Disney too, as I understand it she's involved with Star Wars. Now this guy, this character was my crown jewel of season 3. As an Asian American and of South Asian descent at that, I absolutely loved the color blind casting here. The race of this character did not matter at all - and I loved that. The fact that Jay Ali was able to nail this role proved that brown actors don't have to be hired only when the character's race is relevant. And suffice to say, Nadeem was a really important character - practically a main character in season 3. I don't mind that his character was killed off, but I mind how it was handled. Leading up to his death was him traveling to the damn courthouse. He was being hunted along the entire way, but yet somehow that doesn't incriminate Fisk. Then it's not really suspicious to anyone how the jury doesn't convict Fisk. Now I get maybe that's just how the court of law works, but this is the MCU. Things should be a little bit different from reality if that's even how things would happen in reality - where a witness is obviously a target by assassins while he's literally on his way to testify. Nadeem was a family man, and the last thing we ever really get from his character was his wife faking it at the FBI office with Foggy. That's it, and I really didn't appreciate that. By the end of season 3, there is a whole funeral scene for Lantom and I get that he was there from the beginning, but there was that other scene with Matt talking to his mother about how while many have died on his watch, countless more have survived because of his actions. What I would have appreciated is some followup closure to Nadeem's arc, because I feel like there wasn't one. It feels like his wife was used as a plot device in her final scene. She didn't know Father Lantom, but if they came up with some reason for her to be at Lantom's funeral, perhaps Matt would've sensed her presence and then went to go and talk to her. The other problem with all of this is that Ray Nadeem is yet another original character that's not from the comics. Perhaps that could be the writers didn't think it important enough to give his family any closure, but I actually CARE about a lot of the original characters from the Netflix series - this goes beyond just Daredevil. The other part to all this is Tammy Hattley, Nadeem's superior whose confession corroborating his video is what leads to Fisk's second conviction. If Bullseye is brought back and is meant to be the same Bullseye we saw before, then Nadeem's send off hasn't been done justice. I mean...I like how his casting was color blind, but I guess if they wanted to tie the character into the bigger picture of the MCU (if they keep any canon at all from Netflix) they could establish a relation between him and Ms. Marvel, say that she is his niece or something. People already speculated before that Abilash from WandaVision could have been related to Kamala too. I think that's about everything and everyone off of the top of my head. I am sure I must have missed something. For those of you who are big fans of the series feel free to point that out. As I mentioned up above, I am not a fan of the Defenders and especially not of Iron Fist, but The Hand is a major player in both of those things. This might be something that needs to be rebooted the most when it comes to reintroductions in the MCU. Stick's episode in season 1 of the show was good for continuing Daredevil's origin story, but I don't really like what they were going for with the Hand in Iron Fist or in the Defenders. I don't think I'd care to keep any of it, but Scott Glenn is a pretty good actor so it'd be cool if they brought him back. That's all I got to say about it I guess. (as concise as I could make it) When it comes to the ending of Daredevil on Netflix, I think the best course of action for Marvel Studios is to do is a soft reboot. Bring back the actors and don't be overly referential with what happened in the shows, just imply that these characters have a past. That's it. There is no need to have an origin story for Daredevil in the MCU. As far as characters and organizations go:What do you think?
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
I see. I thought whoever was in charge of AoS was the same talent behind Agent Carter. Last night I did some reading on old MCU TV shows and there are several others, another one called Cloak & Dagger. I don't even know what network it was on but that's also supposed to be in the MCU. And then there are some Hulu originals? If there are Marvel shows on Hulu after 2019 then it sounds like Disney wanted them to be canon too, otherwise what would even be the point
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Wow really? It's one thing to have a personal preference but it's another to make reports with that bias & yeah, I don't think I ever heard Feige eve actually comment on the canonicity of the pre Disney+ Marvel MCU shows.Another one I heard is that the Kingpin will actually debut at the end of episode 4, not 5. And if that's true, then Kingpin would return before Spider-Man: No Way Home debuts in theaters yeah?This looks like the most popular option to go with, yeah. It's definitely not what I would want to go with but it seems like it's what most people do with the multiverse being the theme of this Phase.
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My bad, you did say that. Let me ask you this though, did the one way crossover from movies to the shows not reinforce the idea that it is all happening in the same world?The bolded was a good move. If Disney+ existed in 2015, Daredevil would have easily been the first MCUD+ show. However, my point still stands. Back when the shows were incepted, they were meant to be canon to the movies. I don't think Feige ever said anything about the tv shows back then but even if they did, it was beyond his authority back then. Also in 2015, and whether there would ever be a chance to do a crossover; 2015 was the same year Spider-Man was announced to join the MCU. This type of conversation wouldn't have happened if the show wasn't set in the same universe. Back then I remember people comparing Marvel TV do DC TV and how the latter was purposefully a different universe and how Marvel TV was not going to be like that. Now just yesterday made another thread about a rumor involving As you explained, Feige is now in charge of all Marvel TV. Besides the rumors we heard about Spider-Man: No Way Home, this is adding more fuel to the flame of Netflix MCU being brought back into the MCU as a soft reboot. By the way, I never said I saw fans say that ABC MCU was "best of the MCU". I said fans wanted ABC MCU to crossover to the MCU proper. But if we are talking about Marvel TV being the "best of the MCU" I will without a doubt say that the Daredevil series is still way better than several of the MCU movies. Daredevil was my favorite by far even though it had its issues, but I also really liked Luke Cage which, by the way, crashed Netflix for a couple of hours when it premiered because it was so hyped. All of the Netflix MCU shows were generally well received except for Defenders (that's a story for another time) and Iron Fist, which was so bad I made a separate thread about it. I didn't watch AoS, but the conversation I had in the James Gunn thread makes me feel like the alignment while not perfect and convoluted can still make sense. And whatever doesn't make sense can be soft rebooted. What I care the most is just about bringing back Quake and Ghost Rider because I know those characters are fan favorites.Wait a minute, what??? I thought Marvel Studios never shared ANY secrets with Marvel TV and that's why things got so complicated when Thanos became a main character. If the studio did share movie details with ABC then I think it absolutely makes the Helicarrier proof especially with what suggested up above too. Even if that's not proof that certainly is in favor for ABC MCU tying into Age of Ultron.
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
Lewis Tan himself is of mixed heritage, that's one of the reasons why he would be my pick. Why is Luke Cage getting recast though? Wasn't he Stan Lee's personal choice to play the role?I've said this countless times in the thread already, but in short, I really thing Lewis Tan would up his game if he was cast in this role. He would own it. He's auditioned to be a Marvel superhero at least twice now.I am all for racebending where appropriate and I understand what you mean about Asians only getting martial artist roles, but since we have Shang Chi now I think it would work well if Iron Fist's reintroduction was tied directly to his. By the way, did you mean Asians only getting starring roles? Because there are several other Asian actors in the MCU that aren't martial artists. Melinda May in AoS, Jimmy Woo in AntMan 2 & WandaVision, Wong who has been in several movies, Ned who was racebended in the MCU Spider-Man & Avengers movies, and if we bring in alien roles there's Mantis in Guardians and Sersi & in Eternals. Apparently Gemma Chan was already in an MCU movie before this too.
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Thread [SPOILERS] Netflix MCU actor teasing return in upcoming Disney+ MCU series
I like this take. They definitely don't need to be overly referential; obviously they will skip the origin story and just imply that Daredevil the superhero has a past. Maybe Bullseye will even get recruited for the Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts, whatever team U.S Agent is gonna lead. That's an idea.Do you follow Comicbookcast on YT? According to a report they received it's going to be a full reboot and they're only bringing the actors backI like this take too. Well this does sound like another soft reboot pitch, which is exactly what Netflix MCU needs anyway.
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Thread Christopher Nolan requested total creative control, 100 day theatrical window, $100 million budget, 20% of first dollar gross + more for next film
true, but it wasn't all that long ago. those movies came out in 2005 and 2012 respectively, and within the last twenty years or so there were several other movies that came out which were criticized for this. The Last Airbender is the first that comes to mind and that was 2010. I think there just wasn't a fan base big enough for those characters to be upset about it. Hell, Bane was whitewashed in 2019.
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Thread Christopher Nolan requested total creative control, 100 day theatrical window, $100 million budget, 20% of first dollar gross + more for next film
Confusing movie = / = bad movie. I've seen several of his films...Memento, Prestige, Interstellar, Inception might be my favorite. Personally though I don't always like his directorial choices. He got away with whitewashing twice in his Batman trilogy and largely no one really seemed to care.I love going to the movies and I miss it. I went for Black Widow, went for Shang Chi, and I'll go again for Venom 2. I missed the bulk of the discussion about Tenet last year but it seemed like Nolan was really pushing to keep a theatrical release of it
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Thread PS Blog: Ember Lab shares the journey bringing their hero to life in Kena: Bridge of Spirits, out September 21 on PS4 and PS5 (and PC)
preordered the deluxe edition. this has been my most anticipated game of the year and I would've bought a collector's edition if there was one I probably still won't get around to playing it until next year
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
I can't tell if this is a joke post or not, but what does Nick Fury going one way (technically he went both ways) not count as a two way crossover? He was in the movies, and he was in the shows. But anyway, there was also a cameo from Jarvis in the second act of Endgame, so it's the other way...I don't see the multiverse being an advantage if it is going to be used like that, if anything it'd be more of a scapegoat in my opinion. Using the multiverse when it works is for example the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, which we got a taste for with Doctor Octopus from there returning. The multiverse might also be their way in bringing in Deadpool who was in the X-Men universe. These universes were never part of the MCU (UNIVERSE), they are not even parallel universes like the timelines we visited in the Loki tv show.I read through all of the posts made by again just now. At no point at all does their explanations come off as half-assed, I find it all to be logical and sensible - for example as I alluded to earlier, their comparisons to TIH references in the MCU and how there weren't any in the early phases and only in Phase 3 did it start and moreso in Phase 4. Sure, they're back in play now, but it was kind of obvious that Bruce's Banner's history was being ignored throughout the MCU's storytelling compared to the other Avengers. This same level of slow buildup can be how Netflix MCU and ABC MCU characters can be reintroduced to the MCU proper. They even go on to explain why AoS can fit into the MCU proper despite the mishaps in communication between Marvel Studios & Marvel TV; it's another elaborate explanation like the conversations in the James Gunn thread. So no, I wouldn't say doesn't care about canon and continuity. If anything, their participation in this thread shows that they do care, their opinion is just not the same as yours. Also, I strongly disagree with what you say in the bolded. You're making it sound like Feige is the outright owner of the MCU, and he's not. Disney is. The highest authority at Disney gets to decide what is MCU and what is not. Two months after Avengers' theater run: This was set in stone from the beginning. You can't say "Feige didn't say so, so it ain't so" this show was canon to the MCU whether Feige, or haters liked it or not. And the same goes for Netflix MCU; Disney had to wait for Fox's Daredevil rights to expire first, and then: Hell, there is even this quote from Feige himself that I put in the OP: and he's damn right about that. he's fully aware of the Netflix MCU's popularity and he wouldn't take advantage of the built-in fan bases that the live action versions of those characters have. So far intents and purposes, these tv shows were absolutely meant to be canon to the films. It doesn't matter of Feige produced them or not. As for Iron Fist, I made a separate thread about how I believe they should soft reboot him, but not the rest of the Netflix MCU. And in that thread some people suggested skipping straight to Colleen Wing with Jessica Henwick, and honestly I'm fine with that too. As long as they never bring Finn Jones back which they won't have to a la TIH's picking and choosing of references. Bringing them back via multiverse would have the opposite effect; it would add more complications than simplicity. It would then beg the question of, what was going on with Matt Murdock and Quake in the MCU proper, if the ABC and Netflix shows featured variants? What was happening in the main universe instead of the multiverse where these shows' events supposedly took place? It's far better to continue establishing that the events of their shows happened in the main continuity. If you personally don't want to see ABC and Netflix MCU crossover to the movies, that's your right and opinion as a fan. But there are millions of other fans who want the exact opposite, and our opinions are just as valid as yours because we are all part of the same fan base. I'm just saying, name calling does not get anyone anywhere in these discussions. Also, the Netflix character showing up in an MCU movie is still unconfirmed. But there was an ABC character that showed up in an MCU movie two years ago. The biggest one, in fact.Exactly. It's far too much to speculate on when the role hasn't been confirmed. I don't think Jameson's cameo in FFH ever leaked come to think of it, they got away with being tight lipped and keeping that a secret till the movie came out
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
I guess you didn't notice or maybe it's just my wording, but my post was in agreement with yours. I saying that a race dynamic can absolutely be pulled off with a Black and Asian Heroes for Hire. I was just asking what they thought about changing it
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Thread [SPOILERS] Netflix MCU actor teasing return in upcoming Disney+ MCU series
I've been looking into this rumor and it sounds like Kingpin's involvement will have to do with the Yakuza that Hawkeye killed in Endgame and also (possible more importantly) Echo, since her origin is tied to the Kingpin in the comics
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
Ta Lo is very different in the comics from Kunlun, yeah? So couldn't Kunlun just be reintroduced in the MCU and be made to look different from Ta Lo too? Kamar-Taj is another mystical land. There are two mystic lands in Asia within the MCU, I don't see why a third can't coexist too.Agreed. It's good to see some positivity in the thread too. I don't if Shang Chi and Danny Rand have any history in the comics, but they can introduce Danny as a peer or at odds at first, like when Nat and Yelena see each other or the Avengers and Guardians see each other for the first time.I have thought about this too, but wouldn't there still be a race dynamic that could play out well with Luke and Danny if the latter was Asian? Both are minorities in America.
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Hmm, I don't know though. Endgame established that splitting timelines changes the past, but not the time travelers' past. The time travelers' past stays in tact, but by visiting the past, they create different realities by doing so. Endgame created 3 new timelines in the years 1970, 2012, and 2014. I would think that the argument for saying AoS is part of the MCU via multiverse is that all of the events are just taking place in a parallel universe, but not the main one. For me, it starts to get convoluted from there because what does that mean for the main universe? Did AoS never exist? Or did they, and in a different fashion?The obsession of some of the fanbase to vehemently tell others in the same fanbase that they're wrong and that they know better is just as unhealthy. Also I don't think the writers are handcuffed by what the fans say. The Russo brothers said the Defenders didn't show up in Av3 because they felt that the film would have become too crowded. They, nor any authoritative figure, never said anything about feeling pressured by the fans to incorporate more Marvel TV characters in with Marvel movie characters. I am not even sure if the studio would have retconned the Mandarin to being a real villain in 2013 if it hadn't been for the polarizing reaction to the fakeout in Iron Man 3. For all intents and purposes, the studio absolutely did not need to retcon the Mandarin because that movie was a massive success. Iron Man 3 earned $1.2 billion at the box office, with a 79% on RT. The mainstream audience seemingly loved it, so it was definitely a move for the fans to come out with "All Hail the King" and imply that there is a real Mandarin, and he's still somewhere out there in the MCU. Personally I think they did the right thing and now we have Shang Chi with the Mandarin as the antagonist and the movie itself is one of the best solo comic book movies in my opinion.I still disagree with you and you're contradicting yourself by partially agreeing with me. I am fully aware of the fact that "Marvel Cinematic Universe" is the official title of the multimedia franchise created by Marvel Studios and Disney, and that is why in my previous post I made the distinctions in parantheses when talking about the MCU as a (FRANCHISE) and as a (UNIVERSE), as in the main setting that most MCU IPs take place in. Sylvie is part of the MCU franchise, but she is not part of the MCU main universe. There already is a Loki character in the MCU main universe, and he died in Avengers: Infinity War. Even Loki the protagonist of the Loki TV show is not part of the MCU main universe (again, that main Loki was murdered by Thanos), he is part of a parallel universe the Avengers created when they time traveled to 2012 and an alternate reality was born. Within the context of the main setting, the main universe where 90% of the movies and shows take place, neither Sylvie nor protagonist Loki are part of it. To your second point, I discussed with other posters in the James Gunn thread about what exactly in the MCU movies messes up the plot of AoS. The conclusion drawn was that for example the blip, technically the storytelling isn't messed up. It is just off-putting that it isn't mentioned that much as one of the biggest events in human history. So all that tells me is that if Marvel Studios did want to bring back AoS characters into the fold, they could. And they could just pick and choose when and how much to reference from AoS' past, just as explained in this thread how they handled referencing The Incredible Hulk. I can't speak personally for AoS fans, but I am a Netflix MCU fan and I see no reason to bring the Netflix characters back via multiverse. They were meant to be in the main MCU, so they should be continued to be portrayed as such. Therefore I can agree with you on the bolded. They don't have to reference every single thing that happened in the Netflix shows or even reference often; look how little the amount was that TIH's references were throughout this franchise. Dr. Strange 2 will be all about the multiverse, but even then I'm willing to bet that Dr. Strange's setting will begin in the main MCU. Again, going by your logic since anything is possible with the multiverse, Shang Chi could've taken place in a different universe. But it took place in the main MCU. Why is that? They could have set it in any parallel universe, so why didn't they? The easiest answer is that there is more connective tissue with this character and his future arc if his world's entire world history is the same as the vast majority of the other characters. I feel the same way about the Netflix MCU characters and those on AoS.
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
my bad. for that moment, yes I was Drax lol what I meant to say was that for this project, I think Lewis would have a lot of investment in it and it wouldn't just be another acting job for him. it's not like I know him personally or anything, but the interview he had with Vulture is what gripped me and made me want to make the thread with him in the title in the first place. but yeah, any Asian actor with the chops for it could do the role justice.do both places not coexist in the comics?
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
Well the rehearsal for an Iron Fist reboot wouldn't take place over one night anyway. Plus if he's involved beyond just acting like if he's also a producer I think he'd feel more invested in his part for the role too.looking up the chain of responses it looks like they were saying that it doesn't matter if Danny Rand is Asian American, just that he's from the west/an outsider is what's effective. that's where I was disagreeing, it is more effective for him to be of the same ethnic group of the natives in Kun'Lun but still be treated and feel like an outsider
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
Another actor to take on Danny Rand would be cool but I don't want us all to be thinking that Lewis Tan can't improve. Also, didn't Simu do all of his own stunts in Shang Chi?
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
No it isn't. When says MCU proper they mean the MCU (UNIVERSE). For example Sylvie is a character that is part of the MCU (FRANCHISE) but not the MCU (UNIVERSE). She's just from the multiverse, the specific multiverse introduced in the MCU I guess unofficially called the MCM. And I think you understand this, so i don't appreciate you calling me or anyone obtuse because of it. There is no need for the name calling. I'm not moving past anything. If the studio decides to ignore the legacy tv shows, it's a mistake and that's on them. edit: I responded to you in a previous quote too, saying essentially all the same second edit: I watched some of the Netflix MCU but not ABC MCU. The inconsistencies were discussed in the James Gunn thread and by the end of it it's been established that despite the studio messing up where the narrative would go with Thanos' actions, it still works. it's just muddy. I didn't ignore them either
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
The Darkhold is brought up in the article along with Gregg himself saying he's adept to the things happening within the MCU. If he meant that AoS is still canon via the multiverse, I think he would have said that. I'm pretty sure he meant it's canon to the MCU proper
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Thread Kena: Bridge of Spirits is only a few weeks away. Are you interested/picking it up?
Yes. Speaking of "picking it up," I wanted to support the developer and go all out by buying a collector's edition of this game. I guess I will get the deluxe edition since it's the digital equivalent of a collector's even though it isn't the same.
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Thread Google announces the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro
damn, well I'm sorry to hear that you've had such rotten luck this year. I don't mind doing in store pickups as long as that method can be trusted, but if it's a shipping service other than FedEx then I don't think I'd mind having it delivered either
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
What do you mean about it being believable or not? I think there is some effective storytelling behind someone who is an outsider but still looks like the natives, the story of someone truly reconnecting with their roots. You don't pull that off with the mighty whitey trope and if it is a mighty westerner, it's a westerner who has ancestral connection to this culture he's returning to.That's good to know. I like the idea of Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing being the de facto Iron Fist as well, but to be honest I think some people might not like that the same way Scott Lang was introduced as the de facto Ant Man in the MCU instead of Hank Pym
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
I would say that the comics have nothing to do with this, but that's technically not true. If the studio decides to reintroduce all these characters via multiverse I think that'd be a terrible mistake but it is what is at that point
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
But racebending him into being an Asian American character is how the story can be told about a person with roots in Kunlun. It isn't as effective as any other kind of westerner and as a white American - at least with the Netflix product - it comes off as both the white savior trope and the mighty whitey trope.Hard disagree. There is an effective story that can be told with an Asian Danny Rand who may look like the rest of Kunlun but still feel and is treated like an outsider. That's the story of someone not only realizing their potential but reconnecting with their heritage.wow. I knew there was disappointment for not casting an Asian actor, but I didn't knew this extended to Lewis Tan specifically too. But even then in that article it highlights how some people defending casting a white man as the lead too.
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
The only way it would make sense to me from a storytelling perspectiev to make the shows not canon, is if they retcon them as literally never even happening, if that makes sense. And you're right, all of the MCU television shows were announced to be within the MCU. Besides James Gunn, there is no other authoritative person saying otherwise. From what I can tell now, it is only other fans commenting and saying they aren't canon and that observation just comes from the lack of connections. I disagree with this on so many levels. Firstly, when you say "what some audience members thought," you're immediately dismissing those audience members' desires and downplaying what those fanbases want to see. And I don't think that's fair. Those IPs were promised to being part of the bigger picture and that was part of what kept the fan base invested. It is absolutely no different than other superhero IPs introduced via films in later MCU phases that were also connected to the ongoing saga. In this new era you speak of where literally any other franchise can be introduced through the multiverse - my point and response to you is that the multiverse concept overall may be the theme of this new era, but the IPs are still part of the MAIN universe. Shang CHI takes place in the main MCU, and so will Eternals. They aren't established as being part of a different universe in the MCU's multiverse. With your logic, the studio certainly have done that, so why didn't they? They have their reasons for it, and for THOSE reasons, I want the ABC and Netflix MCU to be part of the main MCU too. Introducing them through a multiverse just adds a whole layer of multiverse conversations for these characters to have before knowing each other but it is FAR more consistent for them to all have the same history and continuity. It necessary to introduce them via multiverse, and relying on that all the time does not make for good storytelling. The multiverse should be there for adding universes that are completely different, not parallel. Like the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies or the Fox X-Men movies, if they ever decide to revisit that. But definitely not Daredevil or Agent Carter.No. As I said, 99% of these IPs all already take place in the same consistent continuity. So whenever any of these IPs refer to the main timeline, they're referring to the same exact timeline every time. And that definitely is the case again in the comicbook article with the AoS dialogue referring to the main timeline.
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Thread Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings |Spoiler OT| Marvel Combat
Gotcha, okay. I must have missed that. I guess that's one of my other complaints as well. Implying that the Mandarin is even more multilingual, knowing how far throughout Asia the Ten Rings' command extends beyond East Asia and a hint of its influence in the Middle East (since we already saw that in the MCU) and like a flashback or mention of Wenwu's attempted kidnapping of Tony Stark. I get that this movie was about his personal mission though. Thanks, I must have missed it. I can't wait until this hits Disney+, it may not feel as special as the first time watching it in theaters but the fact that there is over a month to wait for it makes me hyped to watch it again right from the comfort of my own home.
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
But there is no need to handwave it. What is wrong with just incorporating a certain amount from these tv shows into the main narrative? They don't have to bring in all the characters or bring in all the elements, just piece by piece the most important parts. ABC MCU has Quake and Ghost Rider, and Netflix MCU has several superheroes.What the hell? The article you posted did absolutely nothing to detract from what you bolded in my post. If anything it confirms what I said. That article was posted last year, seven years after the launch of this show. If I understand it correctly, the character Fitz transports himself to another timeline, from what they call the MAIN timeline. Sounds like something pulled off in Endgame and it further proves that the main setting of AoS is meant to be the main MCU. Nothing in that article suggests that the main setting of AoS is an alternate universe separate from the one seen in the movies.THANK YOU I have read all of your posts in this thread, you are doing God's workBecause within the MCU (FRANCHISE), there has been and always will be one main MCU (UNIVERSE). This universe within this franchise is where 99% of the IPs' stories take place, whether in the form of movies or tv shows. The only IPs I can think of that predominantly take place in an alternate universe are Loki and What If, the latter of which the whole premise is about alternate universes. I would even say that for the past 11 years, part of what made the MCU's storytelling so appealing is that each of the IPs share a common, singular history and continuity. The multiverse was teased in 2016 with Dr. Strange but wasn't first seen on screen until Endgame in 2019, and even then it wasn't really the main focus although it was a big part of the plot. And even now 11 years later, the latest installments that are also new IP (Shang Chi, Eternals) are being established as part of the MAIN MCU. As an audience member I would be more engaged if the Netflix MCU and ABC MCU IPs were part of the same continuity, just like all the other IPs are. These IPs were always meant to be in the main continuity. From 2015 onward when watching the show, that's the mindset that the audience had when sitting down to watch them. To say they are from an alternate reality just opens more cans of worms that are best avoided. If the Netflix MCU is a separate MCU, then does Matt Murdock & the Defenders not exist in the main MCU? And if they do exist in the main MCU, are the Netflix MCU all variants? And if they are all variants, do all of the storylines from the Netflix MCU matter less since the main MCU's character arcs could be something slightly or completely different? Fuck all of that shit. The Netflix MCU already has a built-in fanbase, and those characters and their arcs deserve just as much connection to the main MCU as all of the rest of the IPs. Making them involved only through a multiverse make it seem like their previous live action stories weren't important enough - but we (the fans of Daredevil) always and still believe the stories as important. Does that answer your question in bolded? I ask that sincerely because this is really important to me and you calling it an obsession makes me feel like I am less of a real fan for wanting more incorporation between Netflix/ABC MCU and the main one.
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
Did you actually read the OP? I'll concede and say let's just agree to disagree if you did, but based on your post here it doesn't sound like you did. Since Lewis Tan was the one who auditioned for the role and he particularly had the idea of bringing an Asian American into a foreign Asian culture to rekindle the protagonist's roots, I suggested him for the thread title. Sure any solid actor can portray that story, but the fact that it came from him tells me that he's passionate about the idea and telling the story would be important to him as an Asian actor.What exactly doesn't make the story more believable if Danny was Asian? Also, I am not sure if it would be true regardless of what race Danny was, because Kun Lun has a lot of Asian influence in its inception. And if I recall correctly, getting into it can only be accessed from the continent of Asia. Bringing back Lewis Tan into the fold and how the story can be about the Asian American feeling like the outsider and struggling to fit in to where his heritage lies.
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Thread 4k blu ray releases of older films sure seems to be popping off lately
last Christmas I bought the 2000s Spider-Man trilogy on 4K Blu-ray, it was either that of seasons 1-7 on Game of Thrones individually used on 4K Blu-ray since I didn't want to own season 8 lol but one of these two were the first sets of 4K Blu-ray movies that I bought, and the reason for that is because I got a Ps5 I would have been getting 4K Blu-ray if Ps4 pro had it, but the Ps5 is my first 4K Blu-ray player
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Thread Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings |Spoiler OT| Marvel Combat
I saw it this weekend. That was a great movie. That was one of the best solo superhero movies I've watched since Cap2. I'm not Chinese, but as an Asian American I still felt a sense of pride seeing a comic book movie with an Asian as the main character. Not only that, but having Asian culture and mythology interwoven into the plot as well. Story wise, I just felt like the death of Shang's mother or at least the scene portraying while it was very emotional, just didn't carry much weight in the film - as far as the Iron Gang goes. And it wasn't totally clear to me why she didn't have her powers anymore. Did she have to have the dragon with her at all times? Also, is the 10 Rings from Iron Man 1 just a completely different organization? That movie had them as a terrorist group in the Middle East. I guess that was the directorial choice at the time to make audience see it as contemporary to our world. They all used guns and didn't employ any martial arts either.
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Thread Spider-Man: No Way Home - Trailer #1 (no spoiler/leak discussion)
honestly I just get happy seeing whenever MCU properties' breakdown/analysis videos are trending. I kinda hated Loki the tv show, but I always liked seeing how New Rockstars' videos were trending in the top 5 breaking down each video, sometimes I think it even went #1. as for NwH's box office potential, I think barring a covid world this movie could have had the potential to do Titanic numbers
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Thread Sony renames their cinematic universe as "Sony's Spider-Man Universe" (previously "Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Characters")
you mean 100% of Peter's high school friends right? because there was a character in that movie that used to be younger than the main cast and after the snap back, was the same age as all of them
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Thread Sony renames their cinematic universe as "Sony's Spider-Man Universe" (previously "Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Characters")
I think part of the reason why Far From Home's box office was so big was because it released hot off of the heels of Endgame. Those movies were about two months apart. In my opinion quality wise, Far From Home was just as good as Homecoming. Not any better, not any worse. And Homecoming didn't beat the box office revenue of Spider-Man 3.
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Thread Sony renames their cinematic universe as "Sony's Spider-Man Universe" (previously "Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Characters")
I said this in the NwH trailer thread and I don't know if this is true, but one thing that I heard was that Sony was always going to go with a Spider-Verse story for Tom Holland's Spider-Man 3. They would have just substituted Dr. Strange with Madame Web.
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Thread Sony renames their cinematic universe as "Sony's Spider-Man Universe" (previously "Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Characters")
The only thing about this that feels off is that they say that Holland's contract is over after NwH, but the news of the renegotiation stated that Spider-Man will appear in another MCU film after Spider-Man 3: I thought this meant the inevitable Avengers 5, but it could technically mean any MCU film, I guess even a Spider-Man 4. edit: also relevant to this: Kevin Feige in 2019 quoted from the same Variety link as the above
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Thread DRAKE VS G.O.O.D. Music (Update: Pusha Responds)
i'm a little late on all this. it took me forever to realize Drake has had a problem with Kanye too. But I'm guessing the last track in this back and forth is "story of adidon" and Drake, similarly to machine gun kelly, said he recorded something but refrained from putting it out?
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
the divergence in continuity isn't all that convoluted between the shows and the movies though. The ABC MCU and the Netflix MCU isn't the same case as the Fox X Men or Raimi Spider-Men films, where in order to make them canon you establish them as being in the multiverse. Netflix & ABC MCU were always portrayed as being in the main MCU. I suppose if they wanted to establish them being in a parallel universe like the 1970/2012/2014 alternate timelines that the Avengers created in Endgame, they could, but there is no need for that story wise in my opinion. I'd be happier if these characters exist in the same exact continuity
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
I had a conversation with posters in the James Gunn thread about that, and what happened in the show wasn't so far off that it's impossible to make sense with what was happening the movies.
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Another important quote from Kevin Feige: This is good news to me, but this directly contradicts comments from James Gunn who said the opposite. There was ongoing thread about that as well.
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Thread Clark Gregg says that Agents of Shield is still canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe
The thing is, when Gregg said that I don't think he was saying it with the multiverse in mind. AoS started long before the MCU introduced the concept of a multiverse, and the show was always meant to be part of the MAIN universe OF the MCU, not as some varied parallel universe where the characters exists alongside the characters of the movies
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
If Feige is involved at all with the casting process in the MCU, then he's probably aware of Lewis Tan's interest. He also auditioned for Shang Chi.How so? I was just going by the logic presented by which makes sense. The first season's ratings were really low, season 2 had fewer critics reviewing it at all and while the ratings rose it was still fairly mixed.It really makes me feel for posters who put together a long and well thought out OP, only for most of the participation to come from what seems like people just reading the title of the thread. I read that Vulture article and it really hammers home why it would have been a win-win, and it also linked another article that started the petition from 5 years ago. I haven't read that one yet but I think it'd be worth it
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
My response to you is kinda the same as what I've said before. I haven't seen Lewis Tan in a ton of stuff but if he works hard passionate about the role, then he deserves the chance to own it. Actors can improve their acting skills, we've seen it before.
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Read the OP, then. I quoted Tan's pitch for the show which would have fundamentally changed it and I thought that would've been a great idea. A million times better than the premise we got.
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
these shows were incepted long before the concept of a multiverse was introduced in the franchise. and even then, these shows were never portrayed as being in an alternate reality of the MCU, but set in the main MCU. now that we have the multiverse introduced, I still don't see why it's necessary to say that these shows were a part of that. they should just be canon to the main universe
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| "Take My Breath" New single OUT NOW
wow this looks good. I skipped out on most of the HoB 10 year merch but I'll definitely cop some for Thursday. for anyone else interested, make sure you purchase asap. From my experience, gear from his own website can sell out as fast as literally 10 minutes.
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I'll have to look into it on Genius later...I saw the imagery beforehand with him holding an oxygen mask over his face but I never made the connection with the title of the song "Take My Breath" there's got to be more meaning to it and we all know Abel has had current events play some inspiration to this dawn of an album coming...
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what we see in the music video tells could be telling even more stories than the lyrics of the song by itself. he's done this sort of thing with three songs from Beauty Madness: Can't Feel My Face, Tell Your Friends, and The Hills. doesn't necessarily mean he's not sending more than one message..
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Oh I see. But still even then it could be a reference to both. Most people seeing any sort of medical mask imagery will think of covid first nowadays before anything else and if Abel made direct references on social media then it's definitely that as well. Could be multi-layered
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Spider-Man has been the only thing on my mind all week and I bet it's been on Abel's mind too haha. But August is my favorite month of the year, last time he released an album this month I think was Beauty Madness. Now just coz he finished it doesn't mean he'll release it soon. I'm guessing he's probably gonna wait until the fall.
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it's times like this where I wish we had a like feature. lmao! more Memento Mori today too, I think? also, I was gonna stay up all night last night to be ready for the Thursday merch drop, but looks like that will happen today in about an hour, 1500 ET and 1200 PT. Once again for those who want it, please be ready. It's like to sellout quickly.
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Which is why they removed it from previews in theaters lol Just checked out the Kanye thread, I thought it was known Abel was gonna be on that album too. Oh well. 6 minutes...wondering if I should threadmark the new song
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I was gonna say this. After Hours already feels like a Kiss Land sequel, so in a way it does feel quite natural if we are getting a Kiss Land 2 after all. He did say that is the only album he see himself doing a direct successor toIt is the correct cover! It's just not the original one, which is nsfw. The cover in the OP was from this year's 10 year anniversary of the House of Balloons.
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Thank you for posting. Damn, I feel like he has definitely grown and matured over his career and fame and just from getting older This part was definitely the most surprising to me. I've been under the impression that Abel has been living that XO life all this time without slowing down, but good on him for going "sober lite" lol. Sounds like it is just alcohol and weed now.
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He did the SAME THING for After Hours before we even knew the name of the chapter. It's coming man...I have been away for a week, thank you for posting this tweet!People who bought tickets will just get a bigger bang for their buck with twice as much music to hear live! Unless the prices rose in between the first purchase and covid cancellations.He definitely is one of the most unique, but he has become one of the biggest superstars as of late as well. I still don't think he is in his prime yet though. Each time he comes out with a project, he tops himself. That clip had me straight mesmerized. Sound-wise, it seems closest to Nocturnal but still very different and its own thing
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Still not ready for it :( I haven't got After Hours out of my system just yethahahaha! I can't tell if you are joking or not. Since Abel is a superstar, I would think he'd have access to the highest quality weed anywhere he goes and wouldn't necessarily have to rely on his XO gang for it, even though of course they'd come through if he wanted them to get it as well. Thank you for posting this, btw. I was away for a week and didn't have the chance and now I know where those 2015 Hills / 2021 Better Believe memes came from in terms of him walking away from explosions. Gotta say, not really feeling this track. Might Not stays the best collab between Belly and him. But also, every time Belly puts him in his song, he ends up being on it more than Belly himself.I think they just meant they want a darker feel to the next project. Melancholy did have a tint of old Trilogy vibe and After Hours had some of Kiss Land's I think, but yes each project he has put has been overall a different vibe from the last
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
First two starring Asian superheroes I guess? Wong is practically an Avenger, and I learned from another thread that AoS has a superhero played by an Asian actress called Quake.Well the article does go on to say "Tan, a half-Chinese, half-white actor, is the son of renowned martial artist and stunt coordinator Philip Tan. He was originally born in Manchester, England, but calls Los Angeles home, and can switch fluidly between British and American accents." I watched a MK interview with him and he sounded American too, so maybe he has a dual citizenship.Oh I see. Well if that's the case then it kinda proves that this show continued to be bad even past the first season then.hell yes. that was you in the James Gunn thread too right? Quake deserves a spot in the main MCU too with the same actress.It is partially my own fault for waiting this long to post again in this thread, but for those of us who are thinking that it wouldn't work or just doubt how effective an Asian starring as Danny Rand would be, I'm just going to point out the vision that Lewis Tan himself had for the role. Because he's right, the show would have to be changed and it would be different from the get go if the main character's race was.My consolidated response here is just to say: even if Lewis Tan is considered to be not a good actor - if he works hard and is really passionate about this role and had the chance to own, then in my opinion he deserves that chance. Not all actors had the same skill at portrayal throughout their career and a lot of them have shown great strengths in improvement. I believe Lewis Tan could too.I liked Colleen Wing's part of the show. At least in the first season and in Defenders.I suppose it depends on who you present your ideas to. But it is reassuring to see a lot of people responding positively to the thread's premise.I agree with your post but I put in the OP that Lewis Tan himself is mixed heritage, Asian and white.yep. a long time ago I heard people say that the dynamic of race wouldn't play out well with Luke Cage and Iron Fist if the latter wasn't white. but who says a dynamic of race couldn't play out in its own way if he was Asian?I agree with this as well, but we have Ms. Marvel coming up on the way.This is actually a great idea. Man I'm so hyped for Shang Chi. That's another role that Tan auditioned for.There was actually a thread made about this, you know. I read the article and most of it seems to lean into Finn not wanting to train, not him unavailable for the time to train. Martial arts is an important aspect of the show, so they should have made time to have him properly trained if timing really was the issue.The MCU has had its fair share of race bending already and most of the time it's well received, but then there are also instances of whitewashing. The Ancient One is probably the most infamous of all. The director back then said he was doing the lesser of two evils by casting someone white instead of Asian, but that was just he who decided that whitewashing is the lesser offense.Strongly disagree with this. said it exactly how I thought it was; there was a lot of problems with the show and Finn Jones' casting was the cherry on topAgreed. For many, was unintentionally how it felt with the actual Iron Fist show, and if they attempted to do it again but this time intentionally that doesn't necessarily mean the product will turn out well.You know what, as an alternative take this might be a really good idea for reintroducing Iron Fist to the MCU. Have it be Colleen Wing and bring back Jessica Henwick for it.Exactly - there are better experiments that Marvel could try out. Doing it with this show when the first shot at Iron Fist already resulted that way wouldn't bode well especially for a superhero that isn't as mainstream as the rest.Mighty whitey huh? That doesn't sound quite as articulate as "white savior" but thanks. I didn't know there was a name given to the trope.I find it upsetting that you had to post this article twice in the thread. It's an important piece.I wouldn't say Daredevil was "ok to pretty good" I'd say it is one of the best things and best series to come out of the MCU, and that's counting this year's Disney+ shows. I certainly would care to see Charlie Cox return as the character.
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Thread Spider-Man: No Way Home [SPOILERS] - Leaks Discussion Thread
I don't think Charlie Cox has been in any action heavy roles in the last few years but I could be wrong. I think his forearms are bigger than the ones in the trailer however, he's not interrogating his own client. at least, that's not what's going on in that scene. look at Peter's body language compared to that figure. he's reading his own file, then his attention is drawn immediately to the hands that slam the table, then up at the figure. it looks as if the figure is arguing with someone on the opposite side of the table, which would mean he's arguing in Peter's favor.right. so Tom Holland's character could just jump into the Venomverse and jump back in the MCU when it's time for his next crossover appearance there.yeah I realized that later. that's my bad.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
Yup. I can agree with this as well, especially the bolded. I still can't say the show's presentation's of the TVA didn't frustrate me, but the lack of clarity can definitely be seen as showing how "corrupt" they are at what they claim to do as the official management of time and timelines. I appreciate you taking the time to level with me throughout this discussion, and I didn't mean to frustrate you or anyone else conversing about all this. I think you have been respectful about disagreeing too.Loki A is basically main MCU Loki who died at the hands of Thanos. Loki B is protagonist Loki of this show. I don't think B's population went kaput, what I've honestly believed is that because of Endgame onward, B has just become a full on alternate universe, but parallel to A. The events there will be different with no Loki and the tesseract present, and whatever else changed from the main MCU timeline with the Avengers meddling in this branch.
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I've already gone with the idea that everything that happened is everything that He Who Remains wanted. As for the link you posted, the writer says "The TVA has their own barometer, their own gauge of what constitutes a deviation from the baseline, the way it’s supposed to go." And since we know that HWR is basically the ruler of the TVA, this explanation is enough to brush over the questions that I had.
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We agree on more things now than we did before, but this is one of those things we're just gonna have to settle on a disagreement about. We were told that the concept of resetting a branched reality is a lie, but even what Ravonna said (or was it Miss Minutes?) doesn't really come to fruition. We saw a ship get dropped off in the void, but not the whole world that it came from. So I guess the time resetting mechanic only sends a portion of that world away, not affecting the whole reality. Like how Thanos used the time stone in Wakanda but it only affected Vision and the trees around him when the mind stone exploded.Was Miss Minutes meant to be seen as consistently unreliable since the beginning? From her cartoon of the sacred timeline & timekeepers to her spending time with Loki in his cubicle in the next episode I really didn't pay much attention to her. At the time I thought she was there for comic relief and not much more so I just didn't really care. I think most of the audience stopped asking "but what about Thanos in 2014" after the first episode. That plot thread and whatever other baggage came with the concept of branches in Endgame wasn't really picked up or addressed for the rest of the show since the show - as you said - is about Loki, and focused on Loki.
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We don't learn about HWR in the first episode and yes the TVA's logic does suggest 2014 Thanos would be a variant, because his actions deviate from the actions of the sacred timeline - as we knew it in the first episode. Loki escaping with the tesseract wasn't supposed to happen and later that episode he sees what was supposed to happen; the events unfolding of the MCU with Thanos killing him. Going by this logic, 2014 Thanos shouldn't have decided to time travel to 2023 after seeing a vision of the future. New Rockstars did a video about that makes sense; it's just what the TVA (and later HWR) wanted.Exactly. None of the Avengers got pruned or arrested, nor did I say they should have. Ravonna said the Avengers did what they were supposed to do, so my problem here isn't about them. We don't need to be spoon fed every detail but if the show is going to open up this can of worms then they have a responsibility to explain; if the Avengers weren't supposed to fail in 2012, then they weren't supposed to time travel to 1970.I that nothing presented in Loki would have impacted Steve's ability to complete his mission - if pruning a timeline means erasing it from existence. I strongly suggest you agree to disagree with me otherwise we may never reach a conclusion in this discussion. I've suggested this respectfully about two or three times now. To you and to others what I'm asking for is to be "spoon fed" to me it is like asking to forget about these open plot holes. "What if" there is nothing to depict? We see the effects of the time resetter device and you said what the TVA does is incredibly insidious. Seeing the horror and fear on the faces of the universe that is becoming undone would have been a serious example of how the TVA is ultimately evil.
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Precisely. BossAttack explained it better than I have in this thread but this is what I mean when I say these loose ends only make sense by attributing them all to what Kang wanted. These plot holes were left unanswered in the first episode. Sylvie's story on Lamentis lends credence to the TVA not to be trusted, but it doesn't explain away all of their fallible logic about variants and other branches created in Endgame. It's not that I was taking the TVA's word as gospel, it's more so that, at least in the beginning of the show, I felt like if it comes to either siding with them or siding with Loki, I was siding with them. And that's because as the pitch meeting video pointed out, at that point in time Loki was straight up evil off the heels of being the main villain of the first Avengers film. Who is "he" in this context? Unless that was a typo I'm not sure what you meant. The different route they focused on and the value behind it didn't really have the effect on me that they intended. Being able to see the TVA's effects on innocent people would have for me personally.That is a good point, there is a big difference in time between being in Mongolia and being in Manhattan. What I would ask for in this context in terms of Steve's mission and the time resetting is how Steve actually gets away with it without the TVA's interference with the time resetting. Both events are things that happen right in the 2012 timeline, we see one without the other but both need to occur for the story to make sense (which they did, we just didn't see it). The plot hole as a narrative inconsistency is what I referenced above, 2014 Thanos not being accused of being a variant when 2012 Loki is, because that would make the TVA's definition of a variant inconsistent. But we talked about this already; it's easy to paint it all with a brush and say it all comes down to Kang.
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Well, what both WandaVision and Loki have in common is that they are quite different from what we've seen conventionally from MCU. While WandaVision wasn't perfect I think it was great, and most of the issue I took with it came at the end. Loki on the other hand, I would say I wasn't able to enjoy passed the second episode. But I had my reasons for watching. From the courtroom scene and early on in this thread's discussion, what I understood was that a time traveler does not necessarily equate to being a variant. That's (part of) why the Avengers weren't held accountable for meddling with the past. I don't think there was any implication of something more besides Ravonna mentioning the time keepers passively but sure, the implication was there that something more is going for Loki's arrest. But still, at the end of the day, it all comes down to it being what Kang wanted. That's how this all makes sense. The other branches don't matter, none of the loose ends matter because what HWR wanted was Loki and Sylvie there in front of him at the end of time.
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Right. By the time we meet HWR it is easy to write off everything not making sense as "it's what Kang wanted." Up until now, what I have been trying to tell you is that this wasn't answered in the premier episode with the court scene. That court scene was just about Loki's arrest and explaining why the Avengers aren't accused of being variants. This post from BossAttack among others pretty much sums it up:Right. It's what the writers wanted and needed to happen not only to conclude this season of the show but to progress Phase 4. This is the most liberty any MCU property as ever taken with rule setting and world building without tying up loose ends, that is why I have had such a problem with it. You keep mentioning Kang here and I have to keep reminding you that we don't fully realize his involvement until the end of the show, 5 episodes later. The point I have been trying to get across is that the plot holes (yes to me they are plot holes) are never fully answered and can be brushed away by saying everything happened the way it did because it is how Kang wanted it to happen. This includes the knowledge of the sacred timeline including multiple timelines; I think this was already confirmed with episode 5 when we saw Loki variants that didn't look like each other. But Thanos leaving the 2014 branch is different from the original events of the MCU. It is the reason why Loki was arrested in the first episode of this show. is the logic presented by the TVA and we don't know about Kang until the end. I did concede to you that erasing a timeline instantaneously to make it so it never existed doesn't make sense. I will agree with you there. We also agree that what the TVA has been doing is evil. My argument there is that to show a serious example to the audience just how horrific the erasure of a timeline is, showing what happens to the residents of the a pruned universe in motion would have given the full effect and nature of the TVA - and what they do. As far as I can tell the story doesn't show the TVA arriving half a day after Steve would have already returned the stones. That's still something we should agree to disagree on. With respect I don't see this going anywhere.
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Fair enough. Steve does need to be in two places at once in the 2012 branch though. So regardless of the timing being right, I still think seeing this all play out with the TVA's involvement would have helped with the show's storytelling. I still think it is wrong to say Loki shouldn't have retread the grounds of what was covered in Endgame.
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The TVA arrived midday and set a timer to either erase the timeline or erase what Loki did in Mongolia. If it is the former, then there is no timeline for Steve to return to. It is convenient to believe that he returned to the correct moment to return the stone but if the point of the the timer is to erase the timeline entirely then I believe that happens instantaneously so effectively once it is activated then it is like that branch never existed. That makes it a problem with Steve's mission in Endgame. If your intention was to help me understand what the show was trying to portray then I appreciate you trying. But for me, the show just doesn't work.
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if the TVA's time resetter means erasing the timeline from existence then I don't think it matters Steve would decide to return the 2012 stones as erasing the timeline could mean erasing it instantaneously, meaning making it so that it never even existed in the first place. That would make Steve visiting it an impossibility.
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I'll speak for myself. You don't need to make it sound like I am the only person in this thread who takes issue with this show at all. Every time I come by this thread, I still see similar arguments coming by and people discussing some of the same things that were supposed to have been established by the first or second episode. If you have something to say, you could find a nicer way of saying it.Then let's just agree to disagree, as I have been suggesting. Throughout the heist that took place in Endgame, we never saw the Avengers traverse two places at the same time, the time being the same year. I wouldn't care about the task of returning the stones if this show didn't introduce the concept of resetting the timeline and having that mean erasing the timeline - I still don't think that is what it's supposed to mean, but if that what it means, seeing it play out with another relevant plot point that involves the 2012 branched timeline would have been important. If anything I would say the show's handling of the TVA is what is jarringly out of place.
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Yes again now I'm still refusing to accept things that were pointed out because I disagreed with what was pointed out to me At the time I said going by the TVA's logic, 2014 Thanos should have been accused of being a variant for deviating from the events of the sacred timeline, just like Loki. Your response to that was the courtroom scene with Ravonna explaining that the Avengers did what they were supposed to and linking a YouTube video to it. My response then is the same as now: Ravonna said the Avengers did what they were supposed to do. She didn't say Thanos in the branched 2014 timeline did what he was suppose to do, nor did she address the 1970 branch that wasn't supposed to happen by her logic if the Avengers weren't supposed to fail in 2012. None of that is brought up in the courtroom scene and none of that is addressed in that episode. That courtroom scene had to do only with Loki defending himself and blaming the Avengers. So I'm still standing by that point, and I stand by my reasoning that it is still isn't an excuse to be overtly unfriendly to someone in this thread who isn't accepting an answer from another person. I can certainly understand why other posters would be discouraged from expressing their thoughts too.I understand, what I am saying is that we never see a user activate the Stark time/space GPS to work in more than one place at the same time. We only see them activate it to in different places in time as a singular step before their next step. Throughout Endgame we never see them use it to go to two different moments in time that are relatively close to one another, only years apart. Not even 10-20 seconds.I wasn't asking for a depiction of an entire reality arriving on set, I was asking for the opposite; depicting an entire reality being erased from existence (kind of like Wanda undoing the Hex) and then showing the horror on the faces of the residents in that reality who would become nothingness within moments.
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What I meant to say is that I sensed a general hostility just from expressing my thoughts here, thoughts that were often times negative. It seems like if I have something to say that goes against the norm, the feeling is whatever I have to say is not welcome here. Hell I cannot even attempt a friendly without later being accused of trolling. It's really annoying. I have my reasons for watching the show. After episode 3, because I wasn't even enjoying it anymore I was just watching to see how it would connect to the bigger picture. For Steve's mission and how it relates to the return to the 2012 timeline: He has more than one stone to return, so his mission there will be a little longer than his visit to the the rest of the branches. Without having seen him successfully returning the stones if the TVA resetting the timeline means erasing the timeline (I still don't believe that's what it is), I don't think we have established that there isn't a conflict with Steve's mission. If erasing an entire timeline means essentially killing everyone there, then that's a really big deal - and I don't remember the show explicitly delineating an entire timeline getting pruned and showing up to the void or the effects of it with people reacting. It would have to be a scene similar to Wanda undoing the Hex and saying goodbye to her sons and Vision.
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I that Loki's plot doesn't need to retread Endgame's plot. If you cannot wrap your head around why I think erasure would be impossible to return the stones then maybe we should just agree to disagree like I suggested. I've explained it already and my explanation wouldn't change from anything you and I discussed because I don't find it obvious that it was before the TVA arrived and as far as I'm concerned my conflict isn't "obliterated," it still stands. What the TVA accuses Loki of applies to other characters in Endgame (not the Avengers) but those threads are never followed up on except if it is all written off as something Kang wanted to happen.
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The show said everything the did was supposed to happen. The show say everything that 2014 Thanos did was supposed to happen. And since the Avengers weren't supposed fail to obtain the tesseract in their 2012 heist, this means them traveling to 1970 supposed to happen. Ravonna's line is in episode 1, and we don't learn or receive a hint about HHR until about episode 3. As far as I can tell, the other branched universes created in Endgame are still not given an explanation for the actions of other characters who should be deemed variants by their own logic of it. Loki was there only defending his own actions. He doesn't know about the full plan of the Avengers' time heist, or about Steve's mission to return the stones. So if that courtroom scene was meant to be an explanation to the audience about all the rest of the time travel shenanigans in Endgame then it didn't really do that, at least not for me. I disagree. This show is about time travel, and it starts off with the same place characters in franchised traveled to through time in a previous installment. Loki is directly tied to Endgame and deals with multiple timelines/universes. One particular timeline that our protagonist Loki is from is one of the same timelines that the Avengers in Endgame traveled to. And Loki's part in that timeline in Endgame is not the end of it since at the end of the movie, Steve has more to do with that timeline. This thread still seems divided on what pruning a timeline means. Sometimes it seems to mean only erasing an event of a timeline that would lead to a nexus, and sometimes it seems to mean destroying the alternate universe completely. Both ideas are problematic to me but the latter comes into conflict with something established in Endgame: Steve's mission to return the stones.
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This is the same question I've had since the beginning of the show and why I don't want to think too deeply about it or even engage in discussion of it here...if the TVA resetting the timeline means erasing the alternate 2012 universe from existence, how would Steve be able to go back there to return the time stone and Loki's scepter?
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I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but I guess one thing I would suggest is having a character on the show that was aware of the same things that the audience up to date is as well that would address the rest of the things time traveling involved in Endgame that didn't bleed into Loki. But you've been of the sentiment that Endgame's time travel plot has nothing to do with Loki's so I would think you would find that unnecessary. Still, I disagree with the rest of your post and I think we should agree to disagree because I really just cannot agree. If pruning a branched timeline means erasing it, then there 100% is a conflict with Steve returning the stones because that means it is impossible for him to return the stones if the timelines where those stones came from are erased. For all I know, the TVA's erasure of the timelines if that's even what pruning the timeline means could be simultaneous to Steve's returning of them the "moment after they were taken," but I'll never see a conclusion to that because the show just didn't address it. I didn't see Steve's mission actually pan out, nor did I see the effects of an entire universe erased with a time resetter. But from the beginning I never thought that's what the TVA does; I just didn't think about it too much at all. And by the end it is easy to let it all go by subscribing to the idea that it is what Kang wanted.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
Yeah, for the mission in Infinity War and Endgame the TVA weren't relevant to bring up to Tony. That would all just be a distraction. They needed to stay focused on bringing back the 50%. But I suppose it's possible that Strange didn't know about the TVA before he checked his 14 million possibilities, because the Ancient One would have known too and she didn't say anything to Bruce about it.Before Loki the tv show, this franchise established Steve going back in time for the third time to return the stones. That's it. Then all all of a sudden with Loki the tv show, the alternate timelines the Avengers created are relevant again because of the TVA. So no, I am not making up reasons about anything. The show didn't do a good job of addressing it, and the show gave me a reason to believe that there is a conflict for Steve returning the stones because of the whole concept of timeline pruning. Although it seems like people are mixed about the full nature of pruning. I think the fact that the show just doesn't address is bad storytelling.
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he does make that sort of reach often enough that I think some people watching might take as accurate which in many cases might have just been too far, like the video he made of explaining how Thanos and Cable could be variants of each other because they're played by the same actor
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
Right, there are multiverses which is why there were several characters named Loki who look different from each other. But I guess even those Loki characters have different variations if they went off of a path that they were supposed to. However, whatever Miss Minutes was explaining about the sacred timeline is never something I fully bought. We don't see a realtime example of any character becoming a variant except Sylvie and Loki. But Loki had the opportunity to become a variant because of time travelers changing the events of his timeline. We don't really see what triggered Sylvie to act differently than she is supposed to or a version of child Sylvie doesn't what was meant to happen.I wonder if this means that when Strange saw his 14 million variations, that he also saw the TVA show up in each of them to tell him that the Avengers violated the sacred timeline by not going on the one path they were supposed to. Man...the more I think about this the more I feel like the introduction of the TVA in the MCU has made things more worse than better.Hmm but if they don't return Loki or the tesseract to the 2012 timeline, then the events of the timeline would deviate greatly from the sacred timeline anyway. The ending of Avengers would be different, Thor 2 would be different, virtually everything in the future of that universe would be different in some way. but yeah, throughout this thread I've gotten different responses some people saying timelines are completely erased and some saying that only the event leading up to a potential nexus is what is erased, but the timeline remains intact. But if that's true, then the 2012 timeline would be on a different course as well without the tesseract as well as without Loki. The TVA=cops analogy you made makes sense, but not really in the first episode. The show starts off with Loki hot off the heels of being a villain and we didn't know Kang was behind it all from the get go. Some of it still feels unanswered, but for the sake of storytelling it's enough to paint it all with a brush that it's everything Kang wanted.I'm not making up reasons not to, Loki and the discussions about Loki are. It's not like the MCU is perfect with storytelling. Things get confusing and sometimes things tend to contradict themselves. Hell, there are two different answers from the makers of Endgame explaining Steve Rogers' return at the very end. Steve's mission of returning the stones is immaterial to Loki's arc, but not to the rules and settings that the show established. It added rules about time travel, and specifically a place where Steve has to time travel to. It's absolutely relevant in my opinion.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
I do. Endgame told me that Steve returned the stones, but at that point I didn't know there was more rules about time traveling in this franchise yet to be established - some that are in effect because of the events there. This show isn't Endgame. And Loki isn't that movie. But both of these stories are a part of the MCU which is the ongoing story. Everything that I'm wondering about won't be answered and it's easy to just not think about it if it is all attributed to Kang. But there is no way Loki's events are irrelevant to Endgame's, since both of these stories involve the 2012 branched timeline.Okay, so the 2012 branch exists. It seems like not everyone in this thread is on the same page, but if what you're saying is true, that means 2012 Loki and the tesseract from this timeline are still missing. What does the TVA do about that? Do they clone Loki and the tesseract and put them back in place? And how do they prevent the Avengers from failing to obtain the tesseract?
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
That's not hard to understand at all. And I don't think it's supposed to be; the showrunners would want the audience to be following along. What you're saying is not unlike how the time stone works and it is also a repeat of a discussion I had early in this thread, but also one I found problematic for a few reasons. First is, Steve has two places to go in the 2012 timeline. He has to first give the time stone back to the Ancient One like you said, and he then has to put Loki's scepter down next to his unconscious 2012 counterpart. That is after all, the last place is scepter is supposed to be. We don't know how whether it's just minutes or hours that pass between Bruce's mission, Scott's/Tony's mission, and Steve's mission. That's too much of an assumption going on that the timing was perfect. That is why I think it would be important to see how the TVA would have affected Steve's mission of returning them.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
I watched it while it was premiering. I like all of his videos and the only one I didn't like was actually another MCU property, which was Civil War. For this one though, I feel like it was a missed opportunity for him to make a joke about why the TVA didn't go after 2014 Thanos or anyone from the 1970 branch who would undoubtedly become variants if Tony and Steve weren't supposed to be thereyeah, it's very easy for me to take everything I felt was wrong about the show and attribute it to it being all things that HHR wanted to happen.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
Dude, I disagree. If you accept Loki with its narrative and storytelling then that's fine. I don't. What Loki introduced with time travel was in conflict with some of the things established in Endgame, and Loki did not resolve these things except with someone like me saying that everything is what He Who Remains wanted to happen. Steve may not be relevant to the plot of the show, but he is relevant in the topic of time travel in the MCU particularly to the 2012 branch. That's where Loki kicks off. If the show means to say that pruning a branched timeline means erasing it then it does come into conflict with Steve returning the stones. I didn't think it meant that, and I didn't hear such a sentiment until I started having conversations in this thread.
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Thread Google announces the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro
I tried Googling this (no pun intended) and all I got was that YouTube is doing their own custom transcoding chip this year supporting AV1, but that's the closest thing I can find. It's of course no indication of whether Tensor will support it tooThat sounds good to me. Okay so besides this bullshit of not including the charging adapter in the box, I am excited. And I think your wife will enjoy the new phone, too.
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Thread Google announces the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro
got it. so what if you are on Verizon already, what is the difference between purchasing the phone locked to Verizon and purchasing the phone unlocked and activating it with Verizon?well, fuck. that blows. then again the Pixel 5 was less expensive than the 4 was, so maybe that's why they didn't do it. I'd really like to not have to pay upwards of $1,000 for a new phone but I feel like I'm gonna be a sucker this Thanksgiving
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Thread Google announces the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro
I have a question. When the Pixel 4 series launched, Google slashed the price by $200 for Black Friday that year. The 4 XL is the one I ended up buying so that's the phone I have now, I don't know if they did the same thing with the 5. Does anyone believe that Google will offer the Pixel 6 series at $200 on Black Friday/Cyber Monday this year as well?
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Thread Google announces the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro
another thing I've been wondering about the Pixel series. If I don't buy the color I want right away, will I lose my chance to buy it completely? Because I know whenever these phones came out before they sold out quickly. I want the champaign Pixel 6 pro, but I don't plan on buying it immediately. if the black Friday deal comes around for this phone then I'll wait until then.
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Thread Google announces the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro
I know you are joking lol but I was asking cell phone practicality and functionality wise - what is the difference between getting an unlocked phone and a Verizon locked phone, if you are gonna be on Verizon anyway? also, thanks for the Forbes link. Hey, that's not bad. Even if I could save $50, that's something. I love taking pictures with the Pixel 4 XL because of the astrophotography mode, truth be told that is why I'm most excited for the 6 pro. I can't wait to see how I can capture the cosmos with that phone
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Thread Spider-Man: No Way Home [SPOILERS] - Leaks Discussion Thread
they edited the trailer to make it look like those scenes occur consecutively, but I don't think that is the case. I think Peter is suiting up to face off against Goblin, not Doc Ock. And if Ock is talking to Holland, then maybe he's doing so after he's suited up. Since Ock didn't see his face but sees Spider-Man, just assumes that it's the one he knows.
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Thread Spider-Man: No Way Home [SPOILERS] - Leaks Discussion Thread
I said this in the Sony's Spider-Man Universe thread, but there are conflicting reports. The first one from 2019 when they first renegotiated said that Disney will help Sony with Spider-Man 3, and that Tom Holland will get to appear in one more MCU film. Whether that film is a crossover or Spider-Man 4, I don't know. However, this report directly contradicts the second report from earlier this year. This is what Tom Holland said:
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Can they do that though? If he is a character that was introduced in an MCU film that isyeah, I hear most leaks and rumors point to ASM2-based Rhino being #6. But he was barely memorable and whatever memory people had of him wasn't a good one. So different version or not I still would prefer they bring back the Scorpion instead.
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Canadian Lad's YouTube video brings up a good point about the police precinct scene. If you compare the leaked version to the official version, the face of the person (which you can make out in the leak) is edited out. Why would Sony do that if that character isn't important?
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oh, so they are going to be same exact incarnations and not variants? with Electro going from blue to yellow, I just think of Spider-Verse where all the Spider-people from different universes who ended up in Miles' were having an allergic reaction to being present in a reality that isn't there's. So I figured that Electro changing could be explained as just him mutating as a side effect of traversing the multiverse. either that, or just that he is a variant and not the legacy Electro from ASM 2.
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I would like to believe that Keaton's stinger appearance in the Morbius trailer was the same character he portrayed in Homecoming, but until the movie is out there is not really a way to confirm that. The evidence is certainly there, but it could be a JK Simmons/Jameson situation.I don't want Mysterio to be back only because of I'm tired of character presence fakeouts and character death fakeouts. EDITH said what Peter saw before him was real, so I want Beck's death to be real. As for the other villains - which ones are you saying no one gave a shit about to begin with? I think most people who watched the trailer are genuinely excited to see legacy Ock & Goblin back in action, and while legacy Electro wasn't exactly well received, Jame Foxx deserves a second chance. He is a really good actor and can do the villain justice. Plus he is likely getting a redesign to be more comic book accurate. If the Lizard also gets a redesign where he's wearing a torn lab coat and has his snout, that would get me excited to see him in the movie. But I didn't care for him in ASM and a large part of it was because of his design, which in my opinion they got wrong. Scorpion on the other hand, we haven't seen him since Homecoming and I really like the actor that portrays him too. Michael Mando's waited long enough for his supervillain glory
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
sounds like as unfortunate as the showrunners' predictions were, they were able to continue telling their story that (hopefully) kept their audience engaged. I imagine most people watching the show were also watching the movies, even if it wasn't the other way around Phase 4 or 5 should make room for Quake, Ghost Rider, and any other superhero from this show to return
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
Oh THAT'S her? I recognize the actress, she's been on the show for a very long time, hasn't she? Indeed, when and if the character appears in a future MCU project, they have to bring the actress back. Otherwise again...it just wouldn't make sense.
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
I think Gunn said what he said for the MCU as both an ongoing story and a franchise, and of course he said it without Loki's finale in mind. But the thing But that sort of sentiment goes back to my previous question which is that if they aren't canon to the MCU, then what universe they canon to? Because the MCU is what they are portrayed as being a part of
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
I kind of agree. Like I was just saying that it's too convenient to say everything is in the multiverse. Back in 2015 when these shows were still active, they were supposed to be connected to the MAIN MCU. That is what the narrative was. I don't suppose it'll ever fully be explained, but the Netflix and ABC shows were establishing that the things happening there were happening in what we would now classify as the sacred timeline. Especially in the ABC shows, I don't see how you could explain Fury, Hill, Sif etc. showing up and not having that as a connection to the movies
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
what do you mean by this? OT about James Gunn, is he first person working/worked for Sony/Disney that said on the record that Netflix MCU and ABC MCU are not canon?
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
Only half of that applies. Marvel TV can be written off as inconsequential to overall ongoing plot of the MCU, but to call if fanfiction just doesn't make sense. All of these shows had to go through Disney executive approval to be made. Disney waited until they got Daredevil's rights back from Fox to do a tv show instead of a movie because they wanted to tell a rater R story. So they partnered with Netflix to do MA television. No doubt if Disney+ was already thing in 2015, Daredevil would be there instead and it wouldn't have been cancelled.
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
well it doesn't take any effort to stretch it, it's just a thought that can explain away whatever plot holes there could be between this show and the movies. whenever Disney starts rebooting the non Disney+ MCU TV shows, the only relevant thing they need to take from the ABC ones are the characters that were superheroes, and their supporting characters. For example, I didn't watch AoS but I know that Ghost Rider becomes a prominent character there; they just need to find a way to bring that character back in a tasteful way that doesn't contradict the past.
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
Okay. I don't know real comic book publishing and printing history so I thought meant that Marvel started off as part of DC but then became its own independent thing. Hence Marvel being part of a DC multiverse So to these points then do you mean that there has been a motion picture adaptation of a Marvel vs. DC story? If not, is it just in the comics that they crossed over?If that's true and no one else or even Feige said anything about Marvel television, then that means besides James Gunn it's just fans who try to say it's not canon
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
Theoretically yes, the MCU as a franchise could have anything it wants as canon now, but then there was that meeting Feige had about the rules of the multiverse and I suppose part of that meeting was about setting limitations
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
hmm...I guess this could work as long as nothing in the dialogue contradicted the snap and blip. like, they could just write it off as most of the cast were lucky not to get snapped or something. unless their plot really did get botched with the lack of knowledge in MCU proper
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
honestly, we could use the argument of failure to make illusions to explain how Netflix MCU and ABC MCU aren't canon to the movies, but for me it's hard to accept that when those actors as those characters appeared in both mediums, no matter which one they appeared in first
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Thread Hot take: Iron Fist should be played by Lewis Tan in a soft reboot for the MCU
tl;dr at the bottom So with all of the Netflix MCU shows cancelled, their return will either be on Disney+ or Hulu. My guess is Hulu, so that they can keep the mature theme consistent. But of course it can always come to Disney+ instead. Most of the Netflix MCU was well received, especially Daredevil. Daredevil: 99-97% on RT between seasons Jesica Jones: 72-94% Luke Cage: 92-85% Punisher: 61-67% Hell, Luke Cage was so hyped that it crashed Netflix for a couple of hours when it premiered. Iron Fist on the other hand...20% for season one, while season 2 did see a significant improvement at 55%, but still it was the least liked of all of the Netflix MCU series. I have been saying for the longest time that if and when these series are rebooted, soft reboot or not, bring back all the stars EXCEPT Finn Jones. Recast Lewis Tan as Danny Rand, for a few reasons. 1. He is a real martial artist. Finn Jones didn't even want to train or rehearse the action sequences. There are many issues with this tv show including the action sequences, however, casting Lewis Tan would have guaranteed that at the very least the action scenes would have been better. 2. He already auditioned to be Danny Rand in the Netflix show and instead was cast as a throwaway villain, Zhou Cheng (or at least the character was treated as a throwaway villain). If and when a soft reboot happens, Disney has the chance to right their wrongs and offer the role to the actor who was meant for it. 3. This point is the most controversial but also something that is very important to me, and that is that Danny Rand should be portrayed as an Asian American character. Danny Rand is white in the comics, so technically speaking, casting Finn Jones was not a whitewashing move. However if we are going to get technical about it, we need to look at the history and inception of Iron Fist as a Marvel character. He debuted in the comics in the 1970s, back when Bruce Lee movies were a very hot commodity. And with Danny Rand being a martial arts master, according to wikipedia he is loosely based on Bruce Lee. With all of this knowledge it makes sense to racebend Danny Rand into being Asian for a live action adaptation. Lewis Tan is of mixed heritage, I think he's half white and half Asian. The actor himself has brought this up before. I'll post the YouTube video but for those who don't want to watch it I'll type out his quote as well: Now granted, this was four years ago and here were are just a few days away from Shang Chi's premier. It's amazing how far the MCU has come and I'm really happy to see more and more of this diversity. I don't want the argument to be "well there is already one Asian superhero, we don't need another one" because what kind of argument is that? The Marvel Cinematic Universe is arguably Hollywood's biggest tentpole franchise right now, there is more than enough room for plenty more Asian superheroes and superheroes of any and every race. Speaking just about Iron Fist the Netflix show at least with the first season, the entire time I was watching I always felt the underlying "white savior" trope with Finn Jones. This also extended into the Defenders, with him often saying things like "I am the immortal Iron Fist" and "only I can do it" and "it's my destiny" etc. That always kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Couple this with how he was a white man who encountered a foreign culture and bested all of the natives there as well. This is also a common trope I see in Hollywood, but I don't know if there is a name for it. But racebending this character to be Asian American would be much more in line with the vision that Lewis had. My hot take? If and when Iron Fist is brought back into the MCU, either retcon the Iron Fist series and the Defenders series to have never happened, and cast Lewis Tan as Danny Rand. That could be a soft reboot if the other series remained canon. OR, just keep the series canon and just recast Finn Jones with Lewis Tan. I figure this would be the less popular option since a lot of people didn't like the Iron Fist series anyway. The third option would be to hard reboot all of the Netflix MCU series and canonically make it so that none of them ever happened. I don't favor this one because I liked the other superheroes and their shows. Daredevil and Luke Cage especially, Jessica Jones and Punisher not so much but I am aware they are also fan favorites. For those of you who are fans of Iron Fist but weren't aware, Lewis Tan auditioned to be Danny Rand before the role was given to Finn Jones. Lewis did still end up on the show, but apparently just for one or two episodes. He's also a real martial artist, so the fight scenes would be better with him starring in a reboot. The show's problems extended beyond the fight sequences, but at the very least would have also been an improvement if he starred there since Finn Jones didn't want to do that work. Also, having Iron Fist as a white character in my opinion is an outdated concept. Looking at the history of the character, he was incepted at the height of Bruce Lee's popularity in the 1970s, so the character is loosely based on him. While having a white actor cast as Danny isn't whitewashing, I think in this day and age it is most appropriate to have the character cast as Asian. What do you think?
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Thread The official poster for 'Venom : Let There Be Carnage' has been released
I'm really not digging that Carnage design. His teeth should be part of his face, not in his mouth. And he usually doesn't have a prominent tongue. He basically looks like Venom if Venom was red but in the comics (and most other adaptations) his face is made distinct enough from Venom's to be its own, yet still meant to be terrifying. Why did they ignore all of that and take the easy way out?
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
So if I am understanding you correctly you're just saying it's an illusion no matter what you're watching but the MCU films do a good job of maintaining the illusion with the Netflix MCU series do not. But, they maintain it in the same ways. The studio has to opportunity to do crossovers, while television doesn't. That's not really their fault. edit: what I mean is that if the television IPs were given the opportunity to do more crossovers with the film IPs then the illusion would be maintained on the same level across the board. It only isn't because the Netflix series never had that opportunity
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
They have been my go to channel ever since Jessica Jones was premiering back in 2015. I'm sure there were other franchise breakdown channels on YouTube around then but I think theirs is the biggest.Do you mean Erik Voss? At what point did you feel like he was grasping at straws with his fan theories? He usually owns up to it when he's dead wrong, like MephistoYou're talking about where he's pointing out how his weapon wasn't on his wrist anymore right? B still looked like was from the angle on the table and his hand behind it?So many people were hating on the IGN reviews while I thought they were being pretty fair lol. And I think to this day it still isn't clear whether the guy stepped down or if IGN fired him
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Thread Have you ever felt like you had a "nexus" event in your lifetime?
This year's MCU installments have me thinking about my past. People make decisions everyday. Everyday most decisions could be minuscule, but then comes a time where people have to make a choice that could make a significant impact on themselves and others for a foreseeable amount of the future. Depending on the decision taken and living with it, I either look back in a sigh of relief and gratefulness in believing I did the right thing, OR, I look back with feelings of nonstop regret and sulking about why I did what I did. But it doesn't have to be only two options. Sometimes on a road in life you could take multiple paths to a destination, and none of them could be good or bad or anything in between. This is what I mean by a nexus event, long story short. Have you ever felt like you had a "nexus" event in your lifetime?
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Thread Sony PSP 5G (Concept console) Trailer
sometimes I really wonder how differently things would have gone if the PSP and Vita were significantly more successful in the market, given Sony would have made different decisions with pricing and what not. Video was neat, the music was really relaxing
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
I'm not saying the Ancient One had knowledge of the sacred timeline, but she understood fully that the Bruce Banner she was interacting with came from 11 years in the future. Since his reality is different from hers, she refers to their different experiences as that; realities. All I'm saying is that in this context, since the word reality was being used interchangeably with timeline during her conversation with Bruce, it is reasonable to also equate the word reality with universe.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
To Winny's point though, during the conversation between Bruce and the Ancient One, the word "timeline" was being used interchangeably with "reality" and I think it is reasonable to believe that "reality" to also mean the same thing as "universe"
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
Don't ever let it get to you if someone tells you to stop watching something just because you aren't enjoying it. That's your decision to make and you're entitled to spend your time watching or stop watching whatever you want. For what it's worth I kinda agree with you and - I was disappointed with both of the previous shows despite overall them being good experiences and I thought Loki would be the best. Turns out it is the opposite and not only is Loki the weakest but I wouldn't even call it a good show. It has its moments but as an overall package I didn't enjoy it all that much. I guess I could understand the overall theme and where the show is making the narrative go in terms of the bigger MCU story, but as a self contained story it felt like a bunch of nothing a lot of the time. Not to mention the introduction of the TVA and how it added so much more dilution to the rules of time travel and multiverse that was already established in Endgame. I'm not going to get into it again now, but based on this thread and how there is always constant arguments over it even now is just proof in my opinion that this show harmed the storytelling more than added good to it edit: with all of that being said though, I'm still happy to see how popular the show is among the general audience and I'm excited that interest in the MCU is still going on perpetually throughout this year
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
hey, he presented a good argument for why all the Kang speculation isn't 1:1 with Mephisto's but speaking of Voss, that New Rockstar video is gonna be dope. I hope it trends at #1 whenever it drops!
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
well, all three of these shows have broken Disney+ records in some capacity, so I think whoever it is that is part of the fanbase of the MCU that decides not to watch the shows are part of the minority of that fanbase. As far as your Falcon example, I can't respond to that without spoiling other things
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
I thought Renslayer was going to open the portal and then walk into that room where Kang, Loki, & Sylvie were. Since she didn't, it makes me wonder which version of Kang is her lover (if that is still a thing). But other than stating that this is the best MCU Disney+ show, I agree with everything here. I think Loki as a tv show at all is the worst out of the three on Disney+ set in the MCU, however, this finale definitely triumphs the WandaVision finale which was one of the weakest points of that show, and Falcon which to me aimed higher but didn't achieve what it set out for - as a whole, including its finale even though its finale wasn't bad. And I think watching these shows are just as essential as watching the movies. They are MCU installments all the same, so skipping one of these series in my opinion is the equivalent of skipping any of the movies in between the major crossover films. If you decide to skip any installment, you're always going to miss essential parts of the story. For example, Captain Marvel and Antman 2, two films that both came between Avengers 3 & 4, both which grossed significantly less than both. That's indicative that the full target audience hadn't seen all of the pieces of the story, even though the two pieces in between were legitimate interims between Avengers films
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
I voted for Kang in the strawpoll from but I have to admit I was heavily doubting it because so many people here were convinced it was going to be another Loki, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that it was him after all!
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Thread Do you predict that Xbox will be viewed as the mind share leader in the console space by the end of this gen?
how do you figure that? I thought in this time frame the gap between Ps4 and Xbone was wider than Ps5 and the Series
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
well this illusion is only a tactic used in the Netflix shows it seems, because the films do a good job of portraying a fictional place where everything is happening in the same place. with the Netflix shows, it seems like the illusion is only constantly being put back into place to remind the viewer that it is supposed to be same place as the other IPs.that has to be bullshit. if some random YouTuber can add it to the skyline for free, there is no way these Netflix shows wouldn't have the reasonable budget to do it tooI don't think anyone ever thought you were coming across as a rambling madman. I agree this stuff is fascinating to discuss but I also think there is only so much jurisdiction a fan base can have in saying or establishing what is going on in these works that they are a part of a fan base for. In the subject of canon vs continuity, at least for the MCU, they kind of treat it as one in the same. The Netflix shows were supposed to share continuity with Marvel Studios' movies, hence they were supposed to be canon. But just like the discussions throughout this thread, the canonicity (and therefore the continuity) of the Netflix MCU has always been debated upon and called into question. The IPs' owners are never giving satisfying answers and thus the fan base has always remained divided.
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No, Cap is able to land multiple hits on Loki, but the hits do not phase him at all. The one time that Cap punched Loki made him step back, but for the rest of the fight, Loki seemingly - effortlessly was knocking Cap around. Natasha even said he's all over the place. Cap didn't even knock Loki off his feet, except with the vibranium shield.
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How do you figure he is level with Cap? Cap was able to get one hit on Loki, and every other hit barely made a scratch. But Loki was tossing Cap around like a ragdoll.
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Another thing about Loki that I have been curious about. When inside the TVA dimension, magical powers don't work even within beings. That's why Loki and Sylvie can't use magic. But does being in this dimension also take away their superhuman strength? In The Avengers, Loki fought Cap and while Cap was able to deal a little bit of damage, he was clearly no match for Loki. This made me think he has superhuman strength comparable to Thor's (even though Thor is also obviously stronger). But if all of the people working for the TVA were once just humans, shouldn't Loki and Sylvie be able to subdue them with their own brute strength? Or does that realm take away ALL superpowers?
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Well if Tony was meant to obtain the tesseract in 2012, then maybe this time he decides not to grab a quick slice and goes out of the front door or something so he doesn't get knocked away by the Hulk. I don't know what's supposed to change to not trigger him to go into to the stairs' hallway, but this way the events of Endgame also remains unchanged since their mission is just to get the stones and return. He would miss getting to talk to his dad and getting the closure he deserves and that would have an effect on the battlefield? Strange did say only one outcome gets them to victory against Thanos, and if that means each of Strange's 14 million visions also included the time travel journeys that the Avengers made, then this hypothetical resetting of events by the TVA would lead to doom anyway.If budget is the reason why we aren't seeing more of our questions answered then I feel like the budgets should just be bigger for these shows. WV, Falcon, and even Loki all broke some sort of Disney+ record I'm pretty sure, and Falcon went as far as topping Mandalorian which was Disney+'s previous biggest hit. The MCU alone has become the biggest Hollywood franchise of all time. I think the sad and boring reality is that because I find the show to be so flawed and problematic that I'm just not a big fan of it unfortunately. I was excited for it just like I was for the previous shows, but Loki might be by far the worst so far and I might even say one of the worst MCU properties as well. It still isn't over yet, so I'll reserve full judgement till the end.Yeah, that twist ruined the show for me. The worst part of an otherwise great series
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That's something I always wondered about whenever they talk about resetting the timeline and undoing that, but...I just don't see it happening. Loki's gonna Loki, so each time the tesseract falls next to his leg I feel like he will always be compelled to pick it up and leave. This is the sort of thing I wish the show would delineate, because it's important. Others will call it being asked to be spoon fed material and if that's what it is then so be it. To me, things like this are significant, and it's not being spoon fed. It's important enough in my opinion should be established with scenes delineating it.
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Same here. I don't like the in-ear design of the pros and that is the only reason why I went with the regular open ear design. But the main reason I got the AirPods at all was because of the microphone on them. I don't think any other mic is as good. Sudio Nio comes close but still, nothing tops AirPods.See my whole thing is, AirPods are most definitely worth it - for phone calls. It's so convenient to pop them in your ears and not have to hold the phone up to your face. However, as far as music goes, I have the XM3s for that. If I plan to listen to music for a considerable amount of time, I'll use my over ear headphones
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Yes, that is the reason 2014 Thanos makes the time jump, but his actions changed the course of history in his timeline. Just like Loki's actions in 2012. That is what prompted the TVA to arrest Loki. There won't be Guardians Vol. 2, there won't be an Infinity War. So a lot of things will go a different way in the 2014 timeline with Thanos, his army, and Gamora gone. I wasn't thinking too much about who the final villain is going to be, but this theory of a king Loki that hates Thanos does sound plausible the more thought that I put into it.
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Since this show takes place right after the events of the Avengers, where Loki is a villain with evil intentions, I was siding with the TVA in the beginning of the show. It wasn't until after episode 4 that I felt there was enough content about them to side with Loki and Sylvie instead of them. As far as 2014 Thanos and his actions go, I brought this up to use the TVA's own logic against them. Maybe Pai Pai Master is right and it will all come together in the conclusion of the series but up until now, if the show relies on the audience making conclusions then it is still a point against the show in my opinion. Most of the reactions to the show in this thread have been largely positive. I'm probably in the minority of being very critical of it, but that doesn't mean others should feel the need to make insults because of it. At the end of the day it is a tv show, and we're watching it because we're fans of the MCU. It shouldn't be taken so seriously to the point where people should start to insult one another.I interpreted the dialogue in the first episode to mean that the Avengers were meant to time travel but that other characters in those timelines were not to deviate from their paths. A variant isn't supposed to equate to a time traveler, right? This show isn't about Thanos but the show's premise is about changing your future. So I think it's natural for some people to wonder why the TVA didn't react the same way to him as they did to Loki.You're saying from episode 1 you realized 2014 Thanos wouldn't be held accountable the same way 2012 Loki was because Ravonna said "The Avengers did what they were supposed to do"? Strange may have seen Loki escape with the tesseract in 2012 and seen Thanos travel to 2023, but that has nothing to do with the TVA. With the concept of "variants" introduced from the beginning and Loki still being portrayed as a villain at that time, I think it is natural to wonder why the TVA is operating a certain and specific way.
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Okay well you could have been a little nicer about it. This still doesn't take away from my criticisms of the show since the show itself doesn't fully address some of these things, it's only come about from the audience speculating and discussing it.
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Well I think Endgame presented time travel fiction that worked well enough for the story that was being told. Ultimately now what I'm realizing is that a lot of my unanswered questions is all comes down to the TVA being in wrong moral ground. I didn't distrust them in the first episode because I was already distrusting Loki, who was the main villain of the first Avengers film where this show kicks off.
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What I meant was that Strange has nothing to do with the TVA and their mission/cause. I only meant to say that by their logic of arresting Loki in 2012, Thanos should have been guilty of crimes against the sacred timeline as well. Distrusting the TVA by episode 4 is the only thing that makes sense to me out of this whole convoluted plot, to be honest. And I don't think it's ever going to be brought up in the show, it's only a conclusion drawn from watching and discussing it.
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That's what ended up sticking with me by the latter half of the show, but as I said I was initially hesitant to side with Loki in the beginning of the show because back then he was hot off the events of The Avengers, full on villain with no remorse. I wonder how the TVA's role in the comics compares to the MCU version. I feel like the comics' version didn't have as big of a role to play between multiverses, but I could be dead wrong about that.
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I guess I'm just not sure what you mean when you say 2014 Thanos leaving was supposed to happen. That's not what happens in the history of the MCU. In 2014, Thanos ordered Ronan to find the power stone for him. He doesn't find footage of the future from a duplicate Nebula, and he doesn't time travel. These things happened in a branched reality created by the Avengers. The last part of your post makes sense, but it only makes sense because the TVA is insidious and can't be trusted themselves. In my opinion, 2014 Thanos fits their definition of being a variant, but the highest authority in the TVA must have their own agenda and that is why only 2012 Loki, not 2014 Thanos or any other character whose actions have changed in Endgame's time traveling plot threads, was accused of being a variant.
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couldn't she have just pickpocketed Ravonna's?Understood. The question of why 2014 Thanos was "meant to leave" wasn't ever a question in-universe, only a question for audience members like myself. The rest of of what you're saying makes sense as well and I think they're saving a little more background on the TVA (as well as who really is behind it all) for the finale.
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I don't think Strange has anything to do with this. I'm talking about the TVA and how they operate. In 2014, Thanos enlisted Ronan to get him the power stone. That is the event of the sacred timeline. But in Endgame, 2014 Thanos deviated from this entirely.
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Early on in this show's premiers, I think episodes one and 2, the conversations I had in this thread included people saying those timelines were pruned. If that's not what actually happened or if it's not what the show was trying to get the viewer to believe what happened then it's just further evidence to me how bad the storytelling is with Loki.
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That courtroom scene was only discussing Loki's variation of the timeline in 2012. The Avengers were mentioned because Loki brought them up, and blamed them. He obviously wasn't talking about the 2014 branch, because he has no idea about it. Why is it that whenever someone is critical about a show and just talks about their distaste for it that people will just assume that they are trolling? do, but doesn't. Thanos wasn't brought up in that scene at all. But whatever, you can think what you want about me.
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it has become more important because of new concepts introduced in Loki. before this show, the only reason I would think it would be important to see Steve returning the stones is because of the history he has with the Red Skull. Also, we only ever see how the soul stone is obtained, and it would be interesting to see how exactly it was supposed to be put back. but yes, because Loki introduced the concept of erasing alternate timelines, it comes into conflict with the Avengers' plan of returning the stones. If the timelines are erased, then it would be impossible for Steve to return them.I feel like a show shouldn't have to explicitly show you everything. But I also feel like a show should have to explicitly show you important plot details, not just have them explained away in expositional dialogue. Up until Endgame, there has ever been indication Steve was unsuccessful, but because of the reset/prune concept introduced in Loki, the story started getting convoluted. The actions of 2014 Thanos goes against the actions of 2018 Thanos, so it doesn't make sense why the TVA would have wanted 2014 Thanos to create a branched timeline. After all, that is the premise of this show, as the actions of 2012 Loki goes against the actions of 2018 Loki.
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we can't speak broadly about the events of Endgame here because this courtroom scene is only dealing with Loki's variation of the timeline in 2012. Neither Loki himself or even Ravonna for that matter even know that there is another branched reality occurring that starts in 2014 with Thanos leaving his timeline.
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That clip does not broadly cover the events of Endgame, only the event of Tony, Scott, Bruce, and Steve traveling to 2012. That resulted in Loki becoming a variant. Thanos and the 2014 branch isn't discussed.
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I don't remember them saying anything at all about 2014 Thanos leaving his timeline, actually. Anyway, by doing so, he created a branched reality. And I thought that was the TVA's mission, to prevent such things from happening.
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That depends on the TVA's mission objective. From episode 1, it is established that Loki is arrested because he did something he wasn't supposed to do. Later, Mobius shows him what he was supposed to do, everything he was supposed to do until his death. Going by this logic, Thanos from 2014 should have been reprimanded the same way Loki from 2012 was, because just like 2012 Loki, 2014 Thanos deviated from the sacred timeline.I'm not saying that Ravonna needs to explain anything to Loki. What I'm saying is that the TVA did nothing about 2014 Thanos' actions that deviated from the sacred timeline. By their own definition, that would also make 2014 Thanos a variant.
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So this is what I mean with the show being too exposition-heavy. The things that you are saying that occurred in this story, those are really important things. They aren't things that should only be decided via conversations with other audience members, they are things that should have been delineated the show itself. an audience member, are saying that Steve returned the stone in its rightful place in the rightful time. another audience member, never having seen the actions being done, am calling into question the validity of it all. If this has to be explained from person to person with expositional dialogue as the only thing the show has to offer, then the show isn't doing a good job of telling its story. In the 2014 timeline, Thanos left. Whether or not the TVA thinks it is a "problematic deviation", it is a significant change to the timeline. I actually made a thread about this a few years ago pondering this exact thing.
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if you want to call it being spoon fed, then that's you. to me, Steve returning the stones to their timelines is an important plot point. having those timelines be in danger of erased is also an important plot point. this show is all about different timelines and how actions can affect them. I don't want to sit and imagine then make up my own conclusion.
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Early on in the show when one or two episodes premiered, the conversations I had in this thread (something you mentioned again just now which I have bolded) had people saying that the 2012 timeline that Tony, Scott, Steve, and Bruce created by traveling there was pruned/reset after the TVA caught Loki in the desert. I found that problematic for two reasons. #1, if pruning/resetting the timeline means erasing it from existence, then it would have been impossible for Steve to travel back there a second time to return the time stone and Loki's scepter. #2, this would also mean that the Ancient One was right in her instinct not to trust Bruce, since her reality was doomed to become nothingness edit: so in short, I disagree that the logic established in Endgame are consistent with this show. we never even see any of the alternate timelines again but enough has changed in them that I wouldn't call them minor deviations either, whether or not the Avengers intended for them to happen.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| "After hours are over, and the Dawn is coming"
I dunno man, with the way he reinvents himself every time I think it will just be a new vibe. If anything with how successful Blinding Lights was, we might get more synth from him.So is The Host. Trilogy is the best work of art he has ever put out. But best album? I think I might still give that to Kiss Land or even After Hours. Anyway, our boy continues to break records:
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the show has practically invited both confusion and speculation with the script and premise that it has. if the audience has to constantly try to make sense of it themselves, then the script from which everything in the presentation is derived was not very cohesive to begin with.
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The Ancient One spoke about them like they are one in the same. "Now this may benefit reality..." 2012 Ancient One speaking to astral Bruce, referring to his timeline/universe as opposed to the one he visited to obtain the time stone.
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Part of why I really don't like this show is that too much of it is expositional and calls into question the events of previous installments in this franchise. Endgame is arguably the most important installment, and the newest storytelling concept (time travel) is a major factor of this tv show. Some of the questions I had from episode 2 onward are still muddy in the waters with both what we have seen, and what we have been told (through dialogue).
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are you saying that in this franchise, sometimes when a character says reality they mean timeline, and sometimes when they say reality they mean universe? that makes things a little too convoluted. in my opinion it just makes more sense to believe the Avengers created alternate universes just by time traveling. I think of it this way: In the main MCU: in 2012, the Avengers fight Loki and his Chitauri army and win. In an alternate universe of the main MCU: in 2012, the Avengers fight Loki and his Chitauri army and win. Four Avengers from the future travel back into this year for their own mission, but because of their presence, they have created an alternate reality. Why would I believe these two timelines are the same universe if events in these timelines are different? The timelines are different, therefore so are the universes.
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I think you meant Endgame in your first sentences and she didn't say timeline, she said reality. She never refers to her hypothesized branched difference in events as a timeline. Bruce used 'timeline' and 'reality' interchangeably. If 'reality' and 'timeline' mean the same thing in this context, I don't see why 'universe' also doesn't. edit: I saw the article you edited into your post, but even that article interchangeably uses the word multiverse when talking about timelines, which makes me think that a timeline there also just means an alternate universe.
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
so that one leaf initiated a butterfly effect? is that what you're saying?when you say illusion, do you just mean a literary tactic? because the point of these references is to emphasize that within the canon, the continuity exists as one wholly. everything occurring is all in the same reality. is your use of the word illusion supposed to mean it's just a shared universe when it is convenient for their storytelling?
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Thread IGN changes reviewer for Marvel’s Loki after receiving backlash
same. I didn't know what to expect with watching the show, but at this point after having completing the fifth episode I daresay it just feels...weird. Or, I don't feel anything from it. But I am only still watching to see what effect it'll have on the larger MCU canon.
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"How do you think your ancestors got these? Do you think they paid a fair price? Or did they take it, like they took everything else?"
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
The Ralph Bohner twist was one of the worst parts of WandaVision for me, but I still liked it a lot. Loki on the other hand, I didn't even know what to expect with this show, but I'm feeling like it is the worst out of the three so far, by far.
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When I saw the headline of the Switch OLED I got excited coz I really thought it was gonna be that "pro" model. I don't have a Switch yet and I don't think I'm gonna purchase the OLED.
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Thread James Gunn confirms on Twitter that previous Marvel shows are not part of the MCU
There is something else that bothers me about this. Two things actually, both having to do with Netflix MCU and its relation to the main MCU: 1. The Russo brothers considered including the Netflix characters in Infinity War, and I think subsequently if that happened they would also be included in Endgame. Ultimately it sounds like they didn't do it because they felt the movies would get too crowded, which is a whole separate story. But if they aren't supposed to be in the same universe to begin, then why would the idea even be brought into consideration? 2. If the Netflix MCU is indeed not part of the main MCU, then what cinematic universe it a part of? All of the shows have constantly referenced events and characters from the first two phases. So if there is no connection, did all of the people of Netflix MCU's NYC just have the same fever dreams and accepted everything as reality or something?
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Stan Lee and Steve Ditko came up with (most of) these ideas. Disney is adapting them. Kids know that the stories aren't real but I think kids come up with more fanfiction than adult fans do. Also, as far as I can tell, intellectual property has been around since at least as long as I've been alive. It seems like it isn't just a Disney thing. Any conglomerate that has a copyright over some material will do what it take to protect their rights over it. Fans don't own any of it. We can have our headcanons, we can have our fanfictions, but we don't have any say in the stories they decide to tell. We wait for the stories, we get entertained by the stories, and that's what makes us fans.
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even if he wasn't bad, 'bad' is still the adjective used to describe him.I think there is a good chance they'll bring the character back though. The rest of the Netflix MCU characters should keep the same cast, but this is one character they need to rebuild from the ground up. Lewis Tan auditioned for the role and if he had gotten it then not only would the fight scenes have been better, but the Netflix MCU would have also had its first Asian protagonist.
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fuck Iron Fist. he was the worst thing about Netflix MCU and the Defenders. Whenever his character is rebooted they need to recast and rewrite the shit outta him
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Luke Cage was so hyped when it first premiered on Netflix, that their servers crashed for a couple of hours that Saturdayyeah, I've seen a lot of YouTube channels that cover a lot of MCU stuff saying how weirdly reluctant the Netflix characters were to namedrop Avengers characters. It is very weird, but the fact that they do in fact namedrop makes me feel like it was nothing more than a choice to have them in the dialogue obscurely. Tony Stark was also namedropped in the first episode of Luke Cage
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How is canon a silly concept? It is the de facto storytelling mechanic that connects different stories together.Captain America was namedropped in the first season of Daredevil
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
navigating through Disney+ episodes are annoying, too. It's not as easy as frame-by-frame like Netflix. Or I am just an idiot and haven't figured out how to do it right.
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wow there isn't one?! I always thought since Xbox came out with this game-accomplishment concept first that there already was. I guess this means that playstation versions of games always have one extra accomplishment in the system which is the one awarded when all the rest are
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Kate Herron, Open the Bi-Frost! (Wednesdays on Disney+)
that was the point? for the plot to go nowhere? then it filler. what I meant with that post is that since I watched the episode and know what happens in it, I feel like if I hadn't watched it and just skipped over it to episode 4 then I wouldn't have missed much of what's supposed to happen.
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Thread Sweet Tooth |OT| When Netflix brings us a Half-Deer Boy and not a Clown
I think what they meant to say was that since the user just isn't into family friendly shows (that just isn't their taste) they should be allowed to not like it. that's their opinion. it's fine for you to disagree but you can't really tell them they're wrong for having their own preferences in tv shows.
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Thread Sweet Tooth |OT| When Netflix brings us a Half-Deer Boy and not a Clown
The whole thing with Bear kinda reminded me tonally of all of those other delinquent characters that were introduced in that season 2 episode of Stranger ThingsI wouldn't say that's a mistake, now you got the best of both worlds
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There was important information that was revealed but the majority of the runtime felt like filler. The episode essentially began with Loki and Sylvie stuck in an alternate universe apocalypse without a way out, and it pretty much ended in that same predicament.
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Beyond being informational, there wasn't much that happened here and the main reason I find that disappointing was because Sylvie was introduced at the end of episode 2. So their first full time spent together I thought would have much more substance I didn't say it was a stupid opinion. It happens to be mine, I just thought I would be in the minority.
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Same here! The only reason I even knew about this show was because Nonso Anozie appeared on Pix11 for a virtual interview about it, and I saw a clip of Jep & Gus at the fire. Others in the thread said this didn't come up on their recommended but it did for me when I opened Netflix to start watching this. & I purposely didn't read about shit when I started watching. Everything was blinding for me. Hell, I didn't even know it was based on another source material. Luckily it was easy to avoid learning anything, since Loki has been taking up all the attention hahaI haven't done research on the making of this show, but WB's logo kept appearing after Netflix's, and if the former produced it, then I would think it had a decent budget going for it. It certainly seemed that way when watching the show.
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Thread Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| Wow, new episodes are Wednesdays on Disney+
Well yeah, I think it's very possible that the TVA could be another villain organization, but not really because of anything we've seen them do. The interaction between Ravonna and Mobius didn't get me thinking she's suspicious either. I agreed with what she was saying to Mobius when he was asking permission to take Loki on the 2050 mission. And I got that the variants themselves aren't time travelers. 2012 Loki is the variant, but he had the opportunity to become a variant because of the actions of time travelers. That's what I mean is that time travel is involved in becoming a variant.
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I interpreted what the Ancient One said as just removing infinity stones from a universe will negatively change the course of history for that universe. It seems like we're hypothesizing because Endgame didn't have the TVA, didn't have the concept of resetting or pruning alternate branched universes; all it had was Steve with the mission of returning the stones but he can't return the stones if those universes were erased from existence and the hypothesis was that he returned them right before they were erased - but if that is the case then it is significant to the plot and that should be delineated in the show, in my opinionIt is definitely a tricky thing whenever a story starts to involve time travel. Honestly I was fine with whatever rules of time travel the MCU established with Endgame and I was fine with it so far in Loki not thinking too deep into it. Up until this thread I didn't think resetting the timeline meant erasing the timeline or undoing it all completely.The reason I don't get a conspicuously sinister vibe from them is because the people in charge don't seem sinister. Ravonna doesn't seem like an evil person and she is an authority figure, neither does Mobius. I get that these three aliens have a bias towards one timeline that they consider sacred, but that doesn't seem to be sinister in whatever their intention was. At least, not so far. Whatever I find about them that I dislike is only personal opinion, not something the show implies about that is immoral. As for kidnapping people for becoming variants, this part of the show also loses me because it seems like in order for any individual to have the opportunity to become a variant, they have to be within the vicinity of another party that is time traveling whose attempting to change their future. Otherwise there isn't any variables that could change the course of a would-be variant's path.So two alternate 2012 timelines, yeah? So how is it in first alternate 2012 timeline that Loki is taken to Asgard if in this alternate timeline (before the time reset) he was arrested by the TVA? Does the TVA's time reset charger include the ability to clone individuals whose paths divert from the sacred timeline? Otherwise it just doesn't make sense to me how another alternate 2012 Loki could reappear where he was supposed to be, if the actual/original alternate Loki from that universe was apprehended. As for the second branch, I don't het why it's Loki who is the one who created the extra branch. He wouldn't have done what he did if the Avengers didn't go back in time. 2023 Cap/Steve/Tony being there at all is creating something different from the original 2012 MCU timeline, regardless of it creating any ripple effects.
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No, there aren't multiple 2012 branches. Tony, Bruce, Scott, and Steve all travel together into an alternate universe in 2012. They're on the ground when they split up for their three different stone missions. To me, the fact that you are hypothesizing the timing of Steve's arrival back in 2012 to outpace the TVA's reset charge to explain how it is possible at all means the plot hasn't done enough to fully explain how the TVA operates. It's starting to feel like a plot hole. It shouldn't come down to "what ifs" from fans; Steve returning the stones is important to the story, and the story should delineate how that lines up with Loki's variation of the sacred timeline in 2012 and the TVA's subsequent reset charger.That would certainly give reason to despise the TVA. On a side note, New Rockstar's episode 2 breakdown is trending at #2 on YouTube. Nice!
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Been following them since their Jessica Jones videos in 2015Steve and who? Unless that is a typo, I'm not sure if that is an acronym. Anyway, the events of the Avengers borrowing the stones and Loki grabbing the tesseract both occur in the same alternate universe. It's one reality, the one they created by traveling back to 2012. They took the time & mind stones from that timeline. If that timeline was pruned, not only was the Ancient One wrong to trust Bruce, but Steve wouldn't be able to go back there.Cosmic Wonder and Reel Rejects are also great especially if you are a Spider-Man fan. They covered a lot of the rumors & speculation about No Way Home
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So you're saying resetting the timeline means deleting the alternate universe? That is still problematic. This would mean 2023 Cap wouldn't be able to return Loki's scepter or the time stone to that branched 2012 timeline if it no longer exists (but this is impossible based on the ending of Endgame). And it also means that the Ancient One should have listened to her gut instinct not to place her trust in Bruce to return the time stone in the first place, since she and her reality were doomed to become nothingness
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What do you mean Loki and the cube don't need to reappear? If the point of the reset charger is to undo what protagonist Loki did in episode, then that means he needs to reappear cuffed and gagged in the ground floor of the Avengers tower. If Loki remains in Avengers custody and the tesseract remains in SHIELD's possession, then that means a)2012 Loki & the tesseract had to be cloned or something of that sort to reappear there, since the original 2012 Loki & tesseract were taken away by the TVA b)the events of Endgame would have to change, because the last thing that happens in the 2012 moment is 2023 Tony getting hit by 2012 Hulk and losing the tesseract. If the TVA just makes sure the one thing that does happen in the 2012 is Loki picking up the case, then what the next thing that happens?Yeah, I think you are on to something here. Or at least, I hope they show us. From what I gathered it didn't really seem like they implied there is more to the reset chargers than meets the eye. But they're gonna have to since the stinger of episode 3 was basically (Sylvie) created a multiverse by force with all of those reset chargers. I do want to point out though that I am overall enjoying the show. More than Falcon, less than WandaVision. It is a good show, it is entertaining, but it isn't without its flaws either. I also recognize that I can be a harsh critic but that is only because I know that Marvel Studios is aiming for higher and deeper storytelling - it is good storytelling, but it isn't above criticism.This actually kinda got me thinking, it makes me think that 2014 Thanos (the main villain of Endgame) should be a variant too. This is since he also did something he wasn't supposed to do, which was leave his universe entirely and travel to the future into the main 2023 timeline. This would change the events of Guardians of the Galaxy onward. Hell, to play devil's advocate, even 2014 Star-Lord would be a variant (not by choice) because he wasn't supposed to be knocked unconscious by Rhodey on Morag. By the time he wakes up, his path has already deviated from the main MCU timeline as well
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ah no worries, I was just a little confused coz I was giving you an earnest response why I didn't think that is the case. But anyway, I don't think I'm the only viewer of the show, at the very least in this thread who finds the TVA's exposition a little troublesome. The last thing we saw in the 2012 branch universe was Loki in the desert. We see 15 put a reset charger there, but I really think it would be important to see the effects of the charger. Every argument of both time reset, and universe pruning goes against the ending of Endgame because it directly conflicts with Steve's mission to return the stones. He can't return the stones if the stone wasn't taken (having the events of Endgame undone), and he can't return the stones if the universe was pruned (a universe that's existence was wiped out)Yes I am watching the show! I wasn't confused or thinking too deep about any of it until I started having convos in this thread lol. We see 15 plant a reset charger, but do we see the effects of it? If it dials back time 10 minutes then how do Loki and the tesseract reappear if that universe's Loki & tesseract were taken away? It is important for the show to delineate that, if that is what actually happened.The mind stone was in Loki's scepter at the time, and Steve's job is to return it to the last point of their time heist which would mean putting it next to his 2012 counterpart's unconscious body. But the fact that his 2012 counterpart is lying there unconscious and not eating shawarma with his comrades - and the undercover Hydra agents are deceived - already make this universe a deviation from the main one.I guarantee you I am not the only one. But with the way the conversations of the show have gone, the creators the audience to overthink things
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I don't get why you clipped the rest of my post, because I explain why they possibly did undo it. And if they did, then it that's an important plot detail, something that the show should delineate to the audience in motion. What do you mean everything just disintegrated away? That doesn't make any sense. Steve would have no alternate 2012 to return to if there was no alternative 2012. If the TVA made it so that Loki never escaped, then what is the last thing that happens after 2023 Tony gets hit by 2012 Hulk and loses the case? This would fundamentally change Endgame too.
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Did the TVA undo 2023 Cap fighting 2012 Cap? Because Steve's job at the end of Endgame is to return all the stones right where he got them, and presumably that would mean putting Loki's scepter down next to 2012's unconscious body in Stark tower. Unless the TVA also wiped 2012 Cap's memory, the last thing he's going to remember when he wakes up is fighting Loki disguised as him, that Bucky is alive, and that Loki and the tesseract are missing. He also deceived a bunch of undercover Hydra agents too. If the TVA resetting the timeline means cloning Loki & the tesseract to put them back in the ground floor of Stark tower, Cap is going to be hella fucking confused, and so will Hydra.If the 2014 universe was wiped out by the Avengers as well, then Steve wouldn't be able to return there to give back the soul and power stones. I don't understand how entire timelines can just be wiped out like this.If this is true, then we need to it happen and not just take the TVA's word for it. How exactly do Loki & the tesseract just reappear in the ground floor of Stark tower when the TVA resets time, after they are both taken into the TVA's custody? Does the TVA clone them and put them in their places?
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I keep referring to the 2012 branch while including those other two items because Steve returned those other two items to the 2012 branch! It is the same branch that Loki traveled to the desert in! So what does it mean that the branch was erased? If you just mean those 2 minutes were erased, then did the TVA clone Loki & the tesseract to put them back in the ground floor of Stark tower? Otherwise this isn't making sense since 2012 Loki was arrested by the TVA and the tesseract was confiscated by them.It absolutely does matter when or how they got the stones. Everything that has been said by the TVA, what they do, isn't lining up with everything we saw. In The Avengers movie, Steve went to go have lunch with his comrades. He didn't fight his future self thinking it was Loki in disguise. happens in an alternate universe, one presented in the future during Avengers: Endgame, and as far as I know, the TVA didn't undo it. Which means the TVA did NOT reset the 2012 universe to make the events happen exactly as we saw them in The Avengers.
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That doesn't make sense. It's just not possible. If the TVA deleted the 2012 branch, then Steve wouldn't be able to go back there to return Loki's scepter or the time stone. AND it would mean that the Ancient One should have listened to herself and not trusted Bruce, because she and her reality were doomed to become nothingness. Do we know for sure that the variant is killed and not teleported? Does Miss Minutes say that the penalty for disobeying the TVA is death? Loki's speech about no one good is truly good and no one bad is truly bad didn't really mean anything to me, really. It didn't seem like it had anything to do with the TVA as an organization. I don't even get the vibes that the TVA wants me to think they're benevolent but hiding something.
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Well most of the issues I've been taking so far is how they're addressing past installments of the MCU, namely Endgame and the time heist. The last thing we see in that movie regarding the 2012 universe is Loki taking the tesseract and leaving. That is exactly where this show picks up. Now, I was fine with however much they explained time travel in that movie, and I was fine with it so far in watching Loki, it actually wasn't until I've read explanations here about either the 2012 timeline getting reset to before Loki takes the tesseract or the timeline just getting deleted where I think it falls apart.Oh were you referring to that scene in the first episode where Loki has to print a ticket? I assumed the variant that got vaporized wasn't actually killed but teleported to another department. I don't know if I agree that the TVA is cruel though. I can't remember if I saw them doing anything immoral, or implied to be. I didn't overthink the time traveling aspect in Endgame, and I didn't really think too much about it while watching Loki either. Like, when B-15 put down the time resetter, I didn't even care what it meant because I didn't what a time reset looks like. It actually wasn't even until I had discussions in this thread, where I heard arguments for a) the 2012 universe getting deleted, or b) getting reset to literally mean the 10 minutes of Loki's divulsion is undone to go back to the main 2012 events of MCU canon that I started to feel like the explanations of time travel by the TVA starts to fall apart. Both options seem problematic to me. I wasn't looking to dissect every detail of this show, but...this show is all about time travel and multiple universes, so how as an audience member I don't see why I shouldn't be dissecting those plot points.1) So were the Avengers supposed to recover the tesseract in the 2012 universe? Because they didn't, and if they did, then Endgame the movie would have been different. Steve and Tony wouldn't have travelled further back in time. 2) If the Avengers were meant to go back to 2012 and from there go back to 1970, then why was Loki not meant to get away with the tesseract? 3) But what about the 2012 timeline? The tesseract is still missing from that universe. Unless the "time reset" means restoring 10 minutes of that universe which undoes Loki getting away, but if that's the case then it is a very important detail and it is something that the viewer should have seen unfold AND that would also mean Endgame would be different, if Tony never loses the suitcase. But even besides the tesseract, there is also Loki's scepter. In the 2012 universe, when 2023 Steve returns, he presumably puts the scepter next to his 2012 self who is knocked out on a floor of Stark tower. This event is completely different than the main MCU universe, where at that point in time all of the Avengers just met up for shawarma. Also earlier on, 2023 Steve deceived the undercover Hydra agents as well. Undoubtedly this would cause some sort of riff in that universe diverting from the main universe's events. 4) Old man Steve has nothing to do with this, except of course the fact that he's arguably a variant. Honestly I don't think the show will bother to explain anything regarding his appearance at the end of Endgame.
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well you know, Disney is in a position where they could bring back both Quicksilvers if they wanted to. MCU Quicksilver is not as fast/powerful as Fox Quicksilver in Age of Ultron, however Wanda has become considerably more powerful since then which means there could be room for greater abilities for Pietro too. So if they were to come up with a multiverse story where MCU Pietro meets Fox Peter, the latter could help him unlock his full potential and run at even faster speeds. Then we could have a kickass Quicksilver scene with both characters doing their thing.
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I'm not saying that, but that goes both ways; you can't say those views aren't mostly from viewers of the show either. Anyway, what I am saying is that the audience could be very engaged with the finer details of what's going on.
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At least one of New Rockstars' videos about WandaVision was trending in the top 5 on YouTube, and every single one of their WandaVision episode breakdown videos has over one million views. The casual audience might be more into deeper looks into things than you give them credit for.
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lol no of course not. My point is that a lot of people are captivated by the show and genuinely are anticipating to find out more about the strings being pulled by the show, like for instance the origins of Evan Peter's Quicksilver presence there.
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No they didn't. They showed B-15 put the resetter in the sand in the screenshots you shared, but they didn't show the effects of the resetter. What happens back in Stark tower once the resetter's countdown is completed? Does it turn back time 10 minutes and create a clone of Loki & the tesseract? We don't see the 2012 universe ever again.Hmm have the Timekeepers said they haven't seen all of the infovideos/cartoons presented? Casey does seem a big ignorant (not knowing what a fish is) but to be honest I don't remember seeing them doing something immoral...at least not yet.Wait a minute they vaporized their own people? I don't remember seeing that happen anywhere but if that is something they do then yeah the higher powers are too extreme with their punishments. But as for vaporizing timelines, throughout the conversations I've been having so far I've been hearing the sentiment that they reset timelines, and that they get rid of timelines. Neither one makes sense to me and both are also problematic from a storytelling standpoint. For the former, it doesn't make sense from what point the reset happens and for the latter, it would be impossible for Steve to return the stones.But even then as I said I said before, if this is what "healing the timeline" means, then they need to show us this unfolding in the show. Not through expositional dialogue, not through an informational cartoon, but through the 2012 universe getting reset and undoing what Loki attempted to do in the 2012 Endgame scene. Trying to make this much of the show make sense by just assuming means that the show relies too heavily on the audience just accepting it at face value and making assumptions to role with the narrative. I guess it works for some of the audience but it isn't really working for me so far.
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it was fine how time travel was introduced in Endgame, but they have made time travel discourse much more complicated with with everything they've introduced in Loki so they are pretty much asking for people to overthink things
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If this is what they claim that they did, then it is a very important plot point and it's not something that should be just done with expositional dialogue. You can't even say for sure how the 2012 Loki & tesseract are put back into place so the fact that it is still unclear means they haven't cleared it up enough
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Miss Minutes' cartoon wasn't enough to convince Loki and it certainly wasn't enough to convince me. The last thing that happened in the 2012 universe was Thor and Tony looking around their surroundings for Loki and the tesseract that disappeared. If that cartoon was saying it was undone, then it's important to show us how exactly it was undone, especially since the show literally started off with scenes from Endgame that took place in 2012.I'm assuming by original Loki, you mean another Loki that was replaced by the 2012 Loki that is the protagonist of this show. So if you're saying it isn't that the TVA cloned him and the tesseract, what method do they use to undo the events of him getting arrested, him showing up in the desert, and him disappearing with the tesseract? Putting the cube back in the suitcase is not all they need to do, because if that is all they do, then 2023 Tony would still get knocked out by 2012 Hulk. What happens to the suitcase after that if the TVA makes sure that the one that happen is that Loki takes it?This show is practically inviting the idea of thinking too hard about the rules of variance. I don't think they are trying to lead the viewer to believe that the TVA can't be trusted; there hasn't really been any scenes implying something sinister, only that they are a governing authority trying to keep order and avoid chaos. I do distrust them, not because I think the show wants me to, but because a lot of what they said to Loki doesn't make sense to me.Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the show, but it has its flaws. Marvel is aiming for higher storytelling and I can be a harsh critic, so credit where it's due but criticism where it's due too. The fact that they have done so much exposition is a point against the show and if they don't bother to clear up some of the things that have a portion of the audience unable to follow along, then it loses more points with storytelling in my opinion. Either way though I am here for it.That's what they say, but they don't show us how the healing takes place. Just as I said earlier in this post, at what point was the 2012 timeline restored to? And whenever that was, did they clone Loki and the tesseract to keep the sacred timeline in tact for this branch universe? Because if they did, then that's really important; it's not something the show should expect the viewer to assume
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you joke but Xbox Ultimate sounds like a better name for a console than the last two generations that Microsoft came up with It seems like we know (and understand) little so far compared to how much is left to be revealed of the TVA. Saying "for all we know" as a pretext doesn't cover up the gaps in storytelling of this show, it's the show's job to explain it
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That doesn't make sense. It just can't be possible. If the timeline no longer exists, then a. It wouldn't be possible for Steve to travel back there to return the tesseract and the time stone and b. The Ancient One was right to not place her trust in Bruce for returning the stones, since she and her reality are doomed to become nothingness - although this is because of Scott & Tony, not BruceAre you saying that they reversed the universe's time by like 10 minutes, and cloned Loki & the tesseract or something to put them back into the ground floor of Stark tower? Because if that's not what you're saying, then your explanation doesn't make sense either.
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I don't get it. Maybe I missed something, but what exactly did they do to remove what Loki did from the timeline? The tesseract is gone from the 2012 universe since it is now in the TVA's possession, and Loki is gone too since he is in their custody. The last thing we saw happen in the 2012 universe is Thor and Tony realizing that both Loki and the tesseract are missing. How did the TVA undo this? What indication did we get from the show that this was changed to match the events of the sacred timeline?
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But he does take the space stone. The tesseract is confiscated by the TVA, he sees it in Casey's cabinet along with a bunch of other useless stones. So that doesn't get undone. Yeah it's confusing, they really need to clear this up more.The 2012 timeline the one created by Loki traveling to the desert. That is the last thing we know of that happens there. edit: I don't even think it's fair to say Loki is the one who created the timeline. The Avengers did by time traveling in the first place
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What do you mean they pruned it? That is so incredibly vague based on all the TVA has revealed to the audience thus far. There just needs to be more explanation of it. I think they should show more of the 2012 universe, what do Shield & the Avengers do about the missing cube & perpetrator that orchestrated the alien invasion
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This doesn't make Em a "Trumper" but he does essentially say he empathizes with Trumpers. Also, this CNN article is from January, and The Ringer was released in August. He's basically saying he regrets losing the Trump loving fan base he has by alienating them with his lyrics, instead of standing by doing the right thing and losing them. I'm pretty sure he says it again in his interview with Sway.
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I think it can be argued that the most minuscule difference could have a butterfly effect on whatever the Avengers did with the time heist. The Avengers returning to 1970, 2012, 2014, twice each to take the stones and return the stones are all things that are different from their own histories in 1970, 2012, and 2014.But just because the stones were returned doesn't mean the universes remained the same as the main timeline. In the 2014 universe, Thanos is gone which means there would be no infinity war. That already creates a different universe.
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But the Avengers got all of the stones from the past in different universes, and Tony's snap worked in the main timeline. It just seems like whatever dimension the TVA is located in is the only place they are just stones. At least that's all I could gather from one episode.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| "After hours are over, and the Dawn is coming"
Artist of the year, Album of the year, Contemporary R&B record of the year, and more. The Grammys really are the odd one out for not giving him anything.I want to hear him make some music with Dua Lipa, too.
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Thread So I’m watching Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom and it’s... dumb...
The ending needed to be what it was so that they could have the storyline of dinosaurs in full on coexistence with the rest of the mainland United States, starting with the west coast. This was a setup movie.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| All I know is xoxxxoooxo
You know you make music with good taste when Michelle Obama gives you props!That is also fair. The only song on MDM I don't really like is Privilege. And I ain't even saying it's a bad song, I just usually don't like most of Abel's closers.
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I am telling you, he has not reached the peak.Yup. As I said in the OP it is pretty much the only album that retains the form he laid out in the mixtapes, as a studio album.This is pretty much my take as well. After Hours is just so good, much better than what I came to expect after he's become so super mainstream. But it is his next best album and sometimes I toss it up with Kiss Land.Loving all this Kiss Land love! Keep it comingAlmost agree with this, I go back and forth with Kiss Land and After Hours but I think overall most of the time I still put Kiss Land first.Definitely this as well. Trilogy > Kiss Land > After Hours > MDM > Starboy > Beauty Madness
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"The dawn is coming" = New music on the way. Which is always exciting, but for me it is a little intimidating because I haven't finished riding the waves of After Hours! I'm still getting my fix.Thank you for posting this! Abel once said that Trevor Noah is his doppelgänger. I don't really see it though.Kiss Land is always a great listen. I haven't bumped it in a while, maybe for the next road trip. There is also a custom Spotify playlist called OVOXO Sound:
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Thread Android 12 Beta - Anyone try it out yet?
Yes, I'm on the 4 XL. Hardware wise, your phone is not that different from mine so I feel like it is a specific case for me that a lot of crucial apps aren't working. Like I said my system settings doesn't even say 12, it still says 11 so when Beta 2 rolls around will I be able to update it there or will I have to visit the website for it?
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The animations are a little more sparkly and the notifications are bigger, other than that I don't see how it's over designed. It's just a little different.How do I let the devs know about crucial apps crashing? Or is it likely that they're already aware of how it's affecting certain devices?
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Thread Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing
The company is based in Israel, and in New York there are about 12 employees. The startup has been around since 2015 and even during the interview they talked about how a startup can either grow or get destroyed.I usually try to look at Glassdoor but this company doesn't even have any reviews there. As far as pay goes, at the company I'm at now I have a base salary + OT + commission as it's essentially cold calling sales, but at this new job it's not sales but the salary is significantly higher than my current base. As far as the industry goes, it is different from any other industry I've worked in which was my biggest concern but they said they aren't concerned about that. I hate my current job but I love working from home, that's the dilemma I guess. But I also can't be living with my folks forever, how am I ever gonna fully mature and be an adult
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Lol yeah it's cold calling and it's treated as a sales job but it's not exactly "sales" because I'm cold calling folks to tell them about a mental health service that's already fully covered by their health insurance. There are still quotas and commission and being treated like a 2nd rate employee despite being a top performer, working from home and the like, yeah I hate it now. I asked if I could take some to think about the offer, how long do you think they'll wait? 24 hours? This is a holiday week so is Monday too long to get back to them?
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Yeah, for sure. For the majority of the time I've worked for this company I have worked from home and I love that I get to work from home, but I hate telemarketing, which is what I do. This is the NY area which means harsh winters and dependence on MTA. Also, I'm almost 30 years old, and even though I try to help my parents out financially, I should probably live on my own.
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At the company I'm at now I work from home in my parents' house. But this offer is not a work from home position so I'd have to start commuting, and I'd have to find a place of my own since the commute is really far from here.
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I got a job offer from a startup company and I don't know if I should take it. I do but at the same time this means moving out from my parents' house since I work from home. Then again at my age, maybe that's something I need to do.
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Thread Shamus Young: Mass Effect 2 Broke the Franchise
They kind of are though, aren't they? Iirc, if the player wanted to they could skip several of the loyalty missions and just do the story missions that would straight progress the plot, of which there aren't many - Horizon, derelict reaper, empty Collector base, maybe a few more. It's great that the player is incentivized to do the loyalty missions but it seems like more like that, the game's story relies on that. "...The funny thing is that people will say 'other than gathering your crew and building your team and getting ready for this mission, there's not much story there.' But that is the story."
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Thread Android 12 Beta - Anyone try it out yet?
I upgraded to this a few days ago and I like the animations and the design, but because of the functionality as a beta, a lot of my apps aren't working. Some of them I can live without even though I use them but others are crucial when I'm away from a computer like gmail. The other weird thing is that when I go into system settings it doesn't even say 12 beta, it still just says 11. Is anyone else on the beta?
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
I like him the best, it's as simple as that. He's my all time favorite fictional character. Sure maybe he deserved better but that doesn't mean his involvement in Yakuza 4 dragged the game down.
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
super late to a response, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. Kiryu's part was still my favorite, but I also really liked Akiyama's fighting style. Currently going through a playthrough of Persona 5 and once I'm done with that I'll move on to Yakuza 5. The first/last time I played that game I went through Kiryu's opening story arc but once I had to start playing as someone else I stopped. I won't be doing that this time.
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
Just started playing Yakuza 4 today, which is the only mainline title I never played at all. Kiryu is the best part of the series for me, it's the reason I have no interested in Yakuza 7 and it's the reason why I immediately lost interested in Yakuza 5 after I had to switch characters. With Yakuza 4 starting off without him I am already not feeling it, but I know I gotta experience it to know what I missed out on before.
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
I bought the Yakuza remastered collection and I'm regretting not having bought it sooner because I lost my window of opportunity to have bought the day one edition. So I'm playing through Yakuza 3 and about substories - I realized that you could finish some preemptively without completing them the way they are supposed to. Is there anyway to retry them and complete the right way in the same playthrough or would I have to start a new playthrough get to those substories all over again?
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
thanks, that is good to know. and premium adventure always unlocks once you beat the game iirc. will all the substories just automatically be back on the map or just the ones that were incomplete/improperly completed?
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
I am still in need of desperate help for Kiwami 2. I'm trying to complete the batting cage request for Haruka, but I can't unlock the home run competition. I got like an S or an A for the first three home run courses, am I supposed to do anything else? like, do I have to get an S/A in all 5 cages?
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
oh. man the thing is, I just couldn't bring myself to care about any of the protagonists. 4 is too much (not counting Haruka, although I understand her chapters didn't have the best content either) 3 I guess would be okay; it was cool playing as Kiryu & Majima in Yakuza 0, if they did a game with one more that would've been cool but 4 was too much imo. Although I know I'm in the minority here
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Thread Yakuza Community |OT| No Yakuza here officer (Remasters confirmed!)
agreed. we've been waiting...technically over a year since the game has existed to be able to play it, and it's my #1 most anticipated game of the year, call it "niche" all you want however I know the game has potential to push sales, but Kiryu cannot take on Kratos
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Thread PlayStation 5 |OT| Play Has No Limits
when do you guys think there will be new Dualsense colors available? When I bought my Ps5 I bought it with a bundle including a second controller but I sold it because I don't want two with the same color. Colorware offers customization but at over $100
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Thread Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® |OT| No Russian To Buy Lootboxes
Did console crossplay for the first time last night and it was awesome. How does crossplatform chatting work? Sometimes I could hear my friend on Xbone, and sometimes I couldn't hear anyone at all
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Thread Sackboy: A Big Adventure |OT| LittleBig3DPlanet
Just got the limited edition version in the mail. It's cool that you get the free Ps5 upgrade but it's kind of annoying that the Ps4 version is the only way to get the limited. I would've rather had a physical copy of the Ps5 version, but the digital has its advantages.
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Thread Sackboy: A Big Adventure |OT| LittleBig3DPlanet
So I just beat the game. Or...most of it. It's cute and it's fun but for some reason I have the feeling I enjoyed playing LittleBigPlanet 1&2 more than this. The series definitely needed to make the jump to 3D, but having the camera follow the setting instead of your character made it really confusing to keep track of which Sackboy was your own a lot of the time. Some of the new mechanics didn't work too great either. Also, I always kind of imagined Sackboy to have a voice similar to Elmo's maybe. It was that grunting noise he made in LBP before self-popping.
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Thread Horizon Forbidden West - State of Play Gameplay Reveal | PS5 [4K]
Trending #4 on YouTube gaming. And I take it that if it is big enough it will start trending on the main list as well? Hmm I also used to think that the IP was called Horizon Zero Dawn, and not Horizon. But I guess it is the latter if Zero Dawn is not part of the title
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Thread Real talk: Is Bloodborne the best game ever made ?
yeah that is a good point, I think a lot of those games' influences are taken into account, which should be the case because if a video game has been largely influential then it is certainly saying something about that game. the Souls series, for exampleit hasn't been out long enough
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Thread Do you like to play video games on a big screen or a small screen?
I used to rent a 70 square ft room and bought a 55" OLED for it. One of my roommates at the time was saying that when I play video games I'm gonna be constantly turning my head to look around on the screen because of how big it was in the small room but that never ended up being the case. I never notice how often I blink though...that's one of those things where you can't "unthink" about it when you realize that blinking is something that you just do subconsciously.
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Thread Andrew Garfield denies any involvement with "Spider-Man: No Way Home"
To be fair, it goes both ways. Back in 2015 I was really hoping that Dylan O'Brien would be cast as the MCU's Peter Parker and when he was asked about the role, he claimed to not even hear about a new live action Spider-Man. Aaron Eckhart didn't confirm or deny whether he would appear in DKR in some capacity such as a flashback, when he could have just said he's not coming back.You should watch this video. I found it pretty informative.
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Thread Rugrats Reboot Series Trailer, Premiering on Paramount+ on May 27th
thanks for the nostalgia trip. anyway, there is just something about Nickelodeon recreating old ideas that just doesn't sit right with me. Between this and Kamp Koral, why are their most high profile projects just new additions of classic projects they've had from the past? it's uncommon to hear about something completely new and they rely on reinvigorating older things.
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Thread RGG's Nagoshi: "Yakuza will remain turn based, Judgment will be the action series going forward"
This is kinda weird, is it also meaning that the Judgement series is not a spinoff of Yakuza but now mainline installments? Or will they be an offshoot major spinoff series like Persona is of SMT?
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Thread Doctor Strange was originally planned for WandaVision finale
I'm not sure I buy that. The criticism still stands. Olsen is basically confirming that her character got off easy, not the opposite. Wanda left the scene so that she wouldn't have to face consequences. If she wanted to be moral, she would have turned herself in with the acknowledgment of the pain and suffering she had caused.
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Thread How long do you guys expect this gen to last and why?
I would've said 7 years, but folks in this thread make a good point about how the coronavirus will probably have caused a lasting delay in the generation as well. I voted 8 yearsaccording to wikipedia, the Switch is Nintendo's 2nd 8th gen console and not a 9th
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Thread Do you like to play video games on a big screen or a small screen?
since I was given a monitor from work and I'm remote, I've opted to trying out exactly that. Although I can understand where you're coming from. Gotta say from how one sided the poll is, I wondered whether the second option would even make it to over 100 votes.
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Thread Single most frightening moment in a game for you, personally?
There was a time when I was playing Mass Effect 2 on Ps3 which had a lot of performance issues. During the derelict reaper mission, the framerate got really bad and then the audio cut out. A few seconds later, I started hearing a screeching voice sound that really creeped me out, all I could think was that it may have been the husk sound effects without any filters. Imagine hearing just that, and nothing else coming out of television speakers.
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Thread Do you like to play video games on a big screen or a small screen?
For most of my life in gaming, I've had my console plugged into the television in the living room. Throughout the years, that tv has gone from being 61" to 50" to now 55". And it is great, but since my newest job sent me a a monitor, I have opted to plug my newest console into this monitor and now I play video games in the bedroom, on the workstation. FYI the monitor is 27". I kinda dig both, to be honest. I think there is a level of appreciation in getting to play video games on a smaller screen at a desk, as opposed to on a couch with a bigger screen. But of course having a much bigger screen at your disposal is really flexing and has a more welcoming sight to it. Apologies in advance if the poll choices are too specific, I was just going off of my imagination on what the two most common setups would usually be. I also don't know what to actually assign as a big or small screen, but we can say a television that is 37" and less is considered small, and a television within 40-49" is average while 50" and above goes large. I could be totally wrong about this though, I don't know statistics behind monitor/television sizes and ownership in gaming...
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Thread Andrew Garfield denies any involvement with "Spider-Man: No Way Home"
This is true, they certainly can and should do that. After all, the polarizing reaction to the Mandarin fakeout in Iron Man 3 is what led to them retconning him into a real super villain. They didn't have to, but they did. So I hope they do it again.pickled pepper
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Thread Doctor Strange was originally planned for WandaVision finale
I remember watching Thor Ragnarok for the first time in a theater and when they showed up in New York I thought...will there be a Dr. Strange cameo? Before I knew it, there was. I think HISHE got it right, joking aside; it would have made sense to have Strange involved in the plot somehow. If not show up to Westview, then at least let the viewer see what he is up to and that he's made aware of what Wanda is doing. I don't think his involvement would feel out of place especially given the fact that Agatha mentions him directly.
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Thread The Weeknd |OT| All I know is xoxxxoooxo
Welcome to the OT. This is...a HAPPY HOUSE? The Weeknd was born Abel Makkonen Tesfaye on 2/16/1990. He started from very humble beginnings, but from 2015 onward he has become a superstar. With the success of his latest record, he has become one of the biggest superstars in the world. His music originated as dark R&B, but his versatility in talent brought him not just into the world of pop but new wave and synth as well. The purpose of this OT is to encompass all music, news, and general discussion on topics for everything XO. 3/21/2011 House of Balloons is the debut mixtape and official body of work by The Weeknd. Other than this being his most original sound, in my opinion, House of Balloons is also The Weeknd at his most essential artistry. This mixtape is full of dark R&B with suggestive and depressing aura. It is often said that Abel was practically homeless when recording these (HoB is the first of three) mixtapes. Nevertheless, House of Balloons is a real place, Abel revealed. 65 Spencer Ave in Toronto. I was there. Abel himself has gone back there a few times, for example in the photo above in the OP for a future music video. Several of the tracks were produced by Jeremy Rose, who claims to have thought of the stage name "The Weeknd," however, he and Abel unfortunately had a falling out. Abel also stated that his stage name came from the event of he and his best friend La Mar C. Taylor dropping out of high school, putting their mattresses in a van, leaving home one and never coming back. It was during the production of this mixtape when The Weeknd's music caught the attention of Oliver El-Khatib, Drake's manager, who posted some of Abel's songs on his blog. This began bringing him some notoriety. HoB was later remastered a year after its release, but this past year was its 10 year anniversary. To celebrate it, The Weeknd launched HoB in its original, unmastered vintage sound onto all music streaming platforms. This rerelease was a bigger deal than just having the songs in their original audial form. Certain samples that were removed in the remastered versions are restored in this rerelease. These include a sample of Aaliyah's "Rock the Boat" on "What You Need" and an audio clip from Fate/stay night in "Coming Down." Up until this year, the original songs were available on Abel's previous YouTube channel - what this OT is named after, xoxxxoooxo which was later merged with his Vevo account. Fun fact: Before HoB, there was another project that was being worked on that ended up being unreleased known as The Noise. My personal favorite: "Wicked Games" Runner up: "Coming Down" 8/18/2011 Thursday is the followup mixtape to House of Balloons, and was his most experimental sounding project if I may say so. Unlike its predecessor which had more than a few producers, Thursday was produced entirely by Illangelo and Don McKinney, both of whom have been long time collaborators with The Weeknd. Illangelo even produced a few songs on his last album. Though this mixtape sonically is quite different from HoB, the dark tone remains consistent throughout. While drugs, sex, and subconscious depression are themes of these mixtapes, from listening to each I would say HoB makes me think most of his depressive side, Thursday makes me think the most of his drug experiences, and the third mixtape feels like the most to do with sex. The title of this mixtape is also why I'm making this OT today. Hopefully with its upcoming 10th anniversary, Abel will officially rerelease this mixtape as well. Thursday does include a feature, who is none other than Drake himself on "The Zone." Through his work and friendship with Drake, Abel said that he had given "half" of what otherwise should have been on his first mixtape, to Drake, who then made the tracks his own on his sophomore album Take Care. Their friendship has been on and off throughout the years and quite honestly I'm not even sure if they are on good terms at the moment. My personal favorite: "Life of the Party" Runner up: "Lonely Star" 12/21/2011 The final mixtape released as part of the Balloons Trilogy was Echos of Silence in December of the same year. As stated previously, while the themes and tone remain consistent throughout the trilogy, Echos of Silence feels the most to do with sex. But that's not to say that his mixtape still doesn't have has plenty, plenty, plenty to do with his depressive and high side as well. All of them do. From my perspective, along with being more sex-oriented, EoS also pushes the most "pop" out of the trilogy while Thursday was the most experimental and HoB was alternative R&B. While EoB continues the trend of dark R&B as well, the opening track is a cover of "Dirty Diana," one of Abel's favorite songs by Michael Jackson. He has repeatedly stated that MJ is his biggest influence, and the artist himself has often been compared to the late king of pop. This mixtape is still The Weeknd as essential; there is even a song titled "XO" (the first half of it). While there aren't any direct features on this mixtape, rapper Juicy J from Three 6 Mafia is included on the outro/interlude of "Same Old Song." My personal favorite: "Same Old Song" Runner up: "XO/The Host": 11/13/2012 In September of the following year, Abel signed a record deal with Republic Records, who remastered and compiled all three of his mixtapes and rereleased them as Trilogy. The compilation album has since been certified 3x platinum by the RIAA. Each project included had a new bonus song attached. On HoB, track 10 is "Twenty Eight," on Thursday track 10 is "Valerie," and on EoS track 10 is "Here Comes the Sun." Out of the three bonus tracks, Valerie is probably my favorite. Overall, chapter 1 of The Weeknd's legacy is him at his most raw, personal self. This was him singing before the fame, the stardom, and the superstardom. The soul he sings with his lyrics can make the listener feel the emotion he's experiencing as the inspiration of the song he's performing. There is a reason hardcore fans always say that this is where he peaked. 9/10/2013 Kiss Land is The Weeknd's debut studio album. Although the production was now elevated to studio album quality, this album was unfortunately largely overlooked, relatively speaking. However, up until the release of After Hours, Kiss Land felt like the only album Abel released while maintaining the essence of his sound and artistry. Abel himself compares the album to a horror movie, but I find Kiss Land to be a very personal album as well as in the story he tells. In fact, it may be that Kiss Land as a reflection of Trilogy but as a studio album to be the reason why it was not a commercial breakthrough. However, on August 10 2020, nearly 7 years after the debut, Kiss Land ended up on #1 on iTunes. Regardless of its commercial performance however, Kiss Land as a body of work felt like Abel's introduction to the taste in the life of fame. Because of its production and third verse, the title track in my opinion is in his top 3 greatest records of all time. Abel also went on record to say this might be the only album he could make a sequel to. Similarly to Thursday, Kiss Land's sole guest is Drake on "Live For." However, the iTunes bonus tracks included a remix of "Wanderlust" featuring Pharrell Williams, and "Odd Look" with Kavinsky. My personal favorite: "Adaptation" Runner up: "The Town" 8/28/2015 2 years later came Beauty Behind the Madness, which definitely was his commercial breakthrough. Three singles released were in the Billboard top 10, two of which went #1 hits. After the release of Kiss Land, Beauty Madness is Abel experiencing the life of stardom and superstardom and previously getting the taste of it, and the new experiences the life has brought him. It is on this album that I think his all time best record exists, "The Hills," although overall on repeated listens I would say this album is the least best project in his discography. He collaborated with several high profile musicians on this album; Labrinth on "Losers," Ed Sheeran on "Dark Times," and Lana Del Ray on "Prisoner." The Japanese version of the album includes three bonus tracks, a remix of "Can't Feel My Face" with Martin Garrix, and both individual remixes of "The Hills" with Nicki Minaj and Eminem. He also had a signature look in this era woth his freeform dreadlocks which he continued growing from his Kiss Land era. My personal favorite: "The Hills" Runner-up: "Tell Your Friends" 11/25/2016 Roughly a year after the release of Beauty Madness, The Weeknd released his third studio album, Starboy. From the title track alone, we can easily tell that this album is all about the braggadocious lifestyle. Having experiencing and continuing living in the life of superstardom, he is reflecting back on it. The life of superstardom is a world he's accustomed to and grown used to, and he tells the story of how he fits in it. When the album first released I rejected because of how much pop oriented he became, but the album has grown me a lot since then and I appreciate it much more. Beauty Madness may have had just as much pop music, but the output in Starboy sounds more inspired. This also shows in a great manner how versatile The Weeknd is as a musician and how he reinvents himself with every release. ALL of the songs on this album charted on Billboard. There are a variety of collaborations on this album; Daft Punk is featured on the intro/title track "Starboy" and on the closing track "I Feel it Coming," Lana Del Ray can be found once again on a song with The Weeknd singing "Stargirl Interlude" (as well as on "Party Monster," except uncredited) one of the greatest rappers of all time, Kendrick Lamar lays a verse on "Sidewalks," and rapper Future is featured on the other reference in the OT, "All I Know" (also in "Six Feet Under," except uncredited). Target's version of Starboy includes one bonus track, a remix of Starboy by Kygo. My personal favorite: "Ordinary Life" Runner-up: "Reminder" 3/30/2018 His first EP, My Dear Melancholy, was described by outlets as sort of a return to form of his darker self from the Trilogy era. To me, MDM is kind of like a midquel between the stories in his releases. Although I enjoyed the depressing sound to MDM, Abel was very specific with this project. For example, compare "Wicked Games" from HoB to "I was Never There," and tone wise the songs may be similar but one of the many differences is that the former has total ambiguity over the lover he's crooning about, whereas with the latter and the EP overall, everyone knows who he's singing about (his ex-girlfriend Selena Gomez, while one particular track, "Wasted Times" may be about his other ex-girlfriend Bella Hadid). There aren't really any features on the EP, but Spotify's version of the album includes the a cappella of "Call Out My Name." My personal favorite: "I was Never There" Runner-up: "Wasted Times" 3/20/2020 As stated previously, My Dear Melancholy, feels like a midquel in the stories he tells from project to project. If a listener goes from Starboy straight to After Hours, thematically they won't miss a beat (but still would miss out on an important chapter of his life in superstardom...heartbreak). In my opinion, this album was Abel's real return to form. I felt this way the most on "Escape from L.A." After all he has gone through since Starboy, Abel has grown so used to the life of a superstar. Now he takes some time to remember that superstardom may be where is now, but thinks about the hard knock life he had to work through and how different he was before. As such, I find After Hours to be a very personal album, much like Kiss Land. Although it is not a direct sequel like he once said he could do, but it sounds very much like it is a spiritual successor. "Blinding Lights" is not only the most successful record of his entire career, but it is one of the biggest records of all time. Despite how much pop sound there is After Hours, this is his most return to form he has had since his beginnings as a singer. Similarly to Kiss Land, I think the title track of his album is one of his best songs ever made. All of this in conclusion makes me toss up which of his albums is his best; it is either Kiss Land or After Hours for me, and most of the time I still go with Kiss Land. Each chapter released is a journey. From 2020 to almost a decade in the past, "Snowchild" feels like a sequel to "Reminder" which feels like a sequel to "Tell Your Friends" which feels like a sequel to "Rolling Stone." And the most amazing part of all of this is, I don't think he has even hit his prime yet. Beauty Madness had hits, Starboy's hits topped those, and After Hours has gotten him to the most mainstream he has ever been. I believe there is much more to come. With his fallout with the Recording Academy, I believe he has the power to transform the music industry - and for the better. My personal favorite: "Escape from L.A" Runner-up: "Snowchild"? XO is first and foremost, The Weeknd's brand. It is the imprint record label he founded with La Mar, with Cash as his manager and Sal as the CEO. Three other artists are currently signed to XO, and they are Nav, Belly, and Black Atlass. Nav also serves as an in-house producer for XO. Back when Drake and The Weeknd were frequent collaborators, their music together was collectively referred to as OVOXO. Drake has a line directing to this "The Zone." While society has often toted XO to mean "kisses and hugs," in The Weeknd's case it may means ecstasy and oxycontin, two of his favorite drugs to take recreationally. My top 3 all-time favorite songs: 1. "King of the Fall" 2. "The Hills" 3. "Wicked Games" My top 5 ranking of The Weeknd songs (probably subject to change): 1. "The Hills" 2. "Wicked Games" 3. "Kiss Land" 4. "After Hours" 5. "XO/The Host" There is further content that can be packed into this OT. Let us know if you want more!
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Thread This thread is for stupid GAMING questions that don't deserve their own thread
I decided to plug in my Ps3 because I have an inkling to play LittleBigPlanet 2 again. But every time I keep trying to connect to the internet, I am getting error 80710016. Any ideas on how to fix this?
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Thread This thread is for stupid GAMING questions that don't deserve their own thread
if I were to buy a game as a gift, can I do so digitally? like, can I go to the playstation store to buy the game as a code for someone else to download, or will it be automatically tied to my PsN once I press the purchase option?
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Thread This thread is for stupid GAMING questions that don't deserve their own thread
On iPhone, the Spotify app was able to always find my Ps4 as an available device to play music on. However, I just switched to an Android, and the app on this phone makes me have to always first open up the Spotify app on Ps4 first, before I can use the app on the phone to choose music. Is there any way I can the app to operate the same way it did on iPhone?
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Thread This thread is for stupid GAMING questions that don't deserve their own thread
by super small download as immediacy, you just mean that a user won't have to wait long before getting to play, but principally since it's not streaming, it's not what most people would think if they call it the netflix of gaming. so gamepass is another ea access, and psnow? although i thought psnow actually offered streaming
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Thank you both. So, wikipedia calls gamepass the Netflix of gaming, but really wouldn't that be xcloud? Also is xcloud a separate service from gamepass or is gamepass going to be a part of xcloud?
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Thread This thread is for stupid GAMING questions that don't deserve their own thread
so gamepass will be a main feature of xcloud, and xcloud will offer more than streaming games, yeah?That's the thing, if it's supposed to be like Netflix, then I go onto Gamepass, choose any game I want, and start playing immediately. That sounds like that's what Xcloud will allow, but not what Gamepass is.
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Thread Mass Effect Legendary Edition Official Comparison Trailer
Uncharted Worlds has been my ringtone alarm during Ramadan for the past like 7 years now. I don't like some of the design choices made for the remaster, but there is no question that the textures and quality looks much better now. I still hate Mass Effect 3 though, so maybe I'll wait until the games can be bought individually despite Mass Effect 2 not only being my all time favorite, but practically changed my life in gaming.
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Thread RAMADAN 2021 |OT| From Dawn Till Dusk
Day 2 y'all...Ramadan mubarakhmm.. I can't provide an expert level opinion, but anecdotally may I ask if her sleep was affected at all? I think I drank one glass of water the first night but it took a while to fall asleep after ceri, and I think that's what led to headaches for me.
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Thread PlayStation 5 |OT| Play Has No Limits
Finally got mine. And now I feel like a pathetic moron because I can't figure out how to turn it off lmao I logged out to get to the login screen and turned it off from there but I am guessing there is a much easier way to do that which I just can't figure out
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Thread Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)
same here man. both of my parents are off this week but they both have to go back to work next week and there's nothing to do but just deal with it
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Thread Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)
So what would you call close?New YorkThe beginning was January, when the virus began. It wasn't all around the world in the beginning.So it will be at its worst in the middle of April
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Thread Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)
Oh I see. Damn, this is morbid. If a significant amount of people elderly to the point that it puts a dent in his voter base, that would make the fatality rate very high
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Thread The Weeknd's House of Balloons turns 10 years old today
go to his websiteI remember you saying that in another thread :)I don't know a whole lot of artists that have the same sound as him from the Trilogy era, but I think it has been pretty influential. Plus the remasters went 2x platinum. But I think you are spot on in your description of House of Balloons. As hedonistic as its sound is, I also think his intention was to show how destructive that lifestyle can be resulting in depression.Huh, I have the datpiff versions of the mixtapes but isn't this the rerelease the exact same thing?I ordered two pieces of clothing and was telling myself I don't need the vinyl since I don't have a record player and might never, but I caved and ordered the Daniel Harsham version
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Thread The Weeknd's House of Balloons turns 10 years old today
tl;dr at the bottom House of Balloons is the first official musical project and debut mixtape of R&B superstar The Weeknd. It was released originally back in 2011 for free. At the time, The Weeknd was still very enigmatic but eventually his music caught the attention of Drake's manager Oliver El-Khatib. The former then featured his music on his own blog. Abel was even featured on his sophomore album, Take Care on the track, "Crew Love." Apparently the relationship went so far as Abel claiming that half of what was originally supposed to be on this mixtape ended up on Drake's album (which is something that Drake disputes). One year after House of Balloons' release, Republic Records remastered the mixtape along with his later two mixtapes, Thursday and Echos of Silence, bundled together and rereleased as Trilogy with a bonus track for each of the mixtapes. Until now, Trilogy has been the only official available and public versions to listen to House of Balloons or any of the other mixtapes. However, for its 10 year release anniversary (today), The Weeknd released the original incarnation of the mixtape on Spotify, and all of the other mainstream musical platforms. Before this, the original versions of the songs were only available in the most direct way on YouTube where he uploaded each song himself 10 years ago. Trilogy's version of HoB didn't just entail remastering each song. There were also samples in certain tracks that were removed, but the original versions still keep the samples in tact. For example, track 2 "What You Need" samples "Rock the Boat" by Aaliyah and track track 7 "Coming Down" samples dialogue from a scene in an episode from Fate/stay night. Wicked Games and Coming Down are my two favorite songs. I swear when I heard Wicked Games and was really feeling it, I didn't just hear his voice, I heard his soul. A couple of fun facts: It has been 10 years since The Weeknd released his first ever musical project House of Balloons. In 2012 the mixtape was remastered and packaged with Thursday and Echos of Silence (his second and third mixtapes respectively) as Trilogy, but to celebrate its 10 year anniversary, House of Balloons has been released on all mainstream musical platforms in its original unmastered incarnation.
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Thread Your Favorite Low Poly Model
I literally just beat Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Hacker's Memory via remote play =] those digimon in DM2 were unique, because you could only obtain them through DNA digivolving. they also made Raidramon the ultimate version, digivolving from Flamedramon and then proceeding to digivolve to Imperialdramon
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
I think that was the last time we will see them two this season, but I could be wrong. I heard that the Acker guy is a famous actor so you know he'll be an important character this season, but I didn't want this whole season to now revolve around Kim making a behind the scenes edition to go against her client that will eventually turn out to be a bad idea. After all, she did blow up in his face with a strong foot the first time she met him. She made her point, I wish she would have let it go. Even though she is taking a stand against the law for what seems to be morally correct.
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Thread Better Call Saul - Season 5 - AMC
you mean Nacho right?even if Nacho turns on them, you know he's gonna lose. He can't take Gus downWasn't he in Class?Yeah, I was worried there was gonna be another car accident if they reveal she was a part of his life all throughout BB then it's a pretty big retcon. How would they get away with him becoming Gene and leaving her
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Thread Mass Effect Trilogy Remastered info/previews coming later today
This is why I was hoping Bioware would have taken the Kiwami approach to Mass Effect. Remaking each game from the ground up would give the series a true new gen presentation, and give them a chance to fully retcon the third installment with their own new creative direction.