My position is on this case that, Vic i believe has done some wrong(personal opinion). At same time im for due process and I want to see some evidence against vic. I can't live by the "listen and believe" only despite that personal opinion. That said, Ive observed a lot of this thread. The one thing I will say is that throughout this process, imo a lot of folks in this thread seem to be willing let shit go or dismiss things as not "relevant" for their own convenience. As long as the "prize" is got. This has led to what imo has been shitty behavior being accepted when things look in the wrong. I decided to say something about the Ron Toye thing first cuz to me, that was disturbing. And still is. This latest thing with the va yeah it comes off as a joke but im willing to bet if that came from the "other side", a lot of you, no almost all of the people here who are not really neutral(or at least not really trying to be) would be singing a different tune. Their seems to be no self reflection. Since ive been accused of trolling, i'll make this one post of my stance and move back on to the other stuff I enjoy about this site and never bother with this again.