i don't agree with anything jon said and its really obvious he just got in the "red pill" echo chamber with all the blatantly false shit he was saying, but everything in this thread is a total overreaction. instead of wanting to have a conversation with people you disagree with and influence change, you want to cancel them, end their careers, and toss them to society's basement. all that does is perpetuate this "Us vs. Them" way of thinking. could his apology have been better? definitely, but its hard to imagine him actually changing his beliefs that have likely been developing over years and years instantly from a bunch of harsh backlash. again, i don't agree with the shit that he said but i don't see how cancelling him and anyone remotely affiliating with him is helping anything and seems more like grandstanding to me.