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GamingThread Let's Have A Conversation About YouTubers (A Megathread)
Reason User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing concerns about racism
This is a great thread idea, I do agree with certain examples made such as the ChannelAwesome controversy, however I do think it's inappropriate to include Pewdiepie's E;R feature and JonTron's livestream debate. The E;R thing was something Felix had revoked immediately when he learned of the channel's content beyond what he had seen & recommended. It's important to keep in mind that in that video he promoted nearly 30 different channels, and with the workflow of upkeeping his own career, it's understandable that he didn't have the free time to dive very deeply into each one. Saying he's an anti-semite for something he corrected as soon as the information was made aware to him is frankly unfair and unrepresentative of the situation. This can also be applied to JonTron's debate, in the context of that debate he was on the spot with many points and regretted many opinions he had shared and how they were worded/lacked research. .. Again I don't think it's fair to criticize someone for actions that they have retracted. Of course this only makes sense to a certain extent, factors such as time and context for the situation those actions took place in as well as actions taken afterwards definitely matter. This is why I'm excusing these situations, but can't bring myself to excuse Felix using the N-word, that's absolutely something he should've known better on. Even in that situation however I still think it's inaccurate to say he's a racist because of that, considering he has never exhibited any serious racist tendencies outside of that one moment which was clearly a knee-jerk reaction with no thought behind it. If I am wrong on this however I'd love to see any examples so I can correct myself. With these things in mind I also think it's unfair to lump in anyone who even associates with these people with the heavy implication that they are bigoted and just as guilty, especially when that seems to contrast with this sentence from the OP:Speaking frankly this gives a pretty uncomfortable precedent for the conversation, like if you disagree that these people are bigots or separate art from artist yourself then you should share the burden. Especially since both Mark and Oney have been friends with Felix and Jon respectively for years preceding their respective controversies. Personally I'm of the mindset that it's perfectly reasonable to vote with your wallet/clicks/watch time/whatever if you find a creator egregiously heinous even for things outside of the art they create. However, I also don't mind separating art depending on how severe a creator's views are with a ratio of how much I enjoy the content. Personally I think Felix is in a bit of a golden age right now with his content and it's impressive how he's seemingly flawlessly pivoted from gaming content to filling the niche of being a meme culture channel. I also greatly appreciate how he's used his platform to help others, such as in the previously mentioned YouTuber shoutouts vid and the His business sense is commendable. Meanwhile, Jon is impressive for seemingly being able to beat the algorithm somehow, still sticking to producing high quality videos at a slow rate for years in spite of the shift to YouTube emphasizing cranked out daily uploads. Both of these creators do incredible things with their platforms and in that sense, I can definitely justify separating that. In my opinion, the net benefit of their success outweighs their controversy, but again that's just my opinion, I don't think anything less of anyone who cannot separate that.