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EtcetEraThread It is time for European countries that participated in colonialism to repay the places they fucked over
Reason User Banned (3 Months): Excusing and downplaying the effects of colonialism
If it was up to a vote, I'd vote no. And I'm not going to try to justify it. I just wouldn't want my country (tax money after all) to pay them. I would only want to pay them if there was a certainty that it would somehow improve our finances, making it richer, and having our population enjoy higher standards of living in the process.
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EtcetEraThread It is time for European countries that participated in colonialism to repay the places they fucked over
Reason User Banned (1 Month): Whataboutism and concern trolling in a thread about colonialism
Okay. The Ottoman Empire ended in 1922. That's recent . Same as the Japanese Empire. Non-European colonialism. They should repay too according to you, correct? Or is there something more to your statements that you are not stating? Like I said where do we stop. Native Indians would wipe out fellow Native tribes in genocidal ways. Do we go that far and have everyone pay everyone even if the lineage doesnt exist anymore? How about Egypt against Rome? I know I am absure about this but this would become neverending.
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EtcetEraThread It is time for European countries that participated in colonialism to repay the places they fucked over
Reason User banned (permanent): Advocating for colonialism. Previous bans for excusing racism and sexism.
Nah not really I say to the victor goes the spoils. If they can't defend themselves then tough shit. Same goes for them, China is currently fucking over Africa so, you ain't gonna see any calls for reparations as they strip mine their entire country. It's easy to bully western european countries over stuff like this.
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EtcetEraThread It is time for European countries that participated in colonialism to repay the places they fucked over
Reason User Banned (1 Month): Concern trolling and whataboutism on the effects of colonialism
OK, if this principle applies then we should apply it further back. The UK needs to be compensated for: - celtic invasion from Eastern Europe - Roman invasion from Italy - Saxon etc invasions from Germany/Denmark - Irish raiders from well, take a guess. - Pict invasions from Scotland - Viking invasions from Scandinavia, - Norman invasions from France - we need compensation from France for the loss of Normandy Etc etc Then, once all this is sorted out we can discuss the UK's compensation bill to it's former colonies. The central counter argument to this line of reasoning is why should people alive today pay money for acts done 150+ years ago? You'd essentially bankrupt every western country, probably every country actually given every country has at some point done a wrong against another country or people. I am sure the African countries prior to the arrival of Europeans were busy attacking each other, forming empires etc. The only people to benefit from it would be the lawyers and accountants who'd do all the work.
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EtcetEraThread It is time for European countries that participated in colonialism to repay the places they fucked over
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Concern Trolling Around Concerns of Colonialism and Inflammatory Accusations; Account in Junior Phase
How do you select the countries, that should have compensation of the action of colonialism? On what timeline do we count these countries? What if the nation doesn't exist anymore? What if the demographic of the people have changed in that area? How do you calculate how much any country has to pay to every country they have had a connection with? How would the payment happen? Is this only money or land too? (I do agree completely with the artist and archeological pieces, as long as the nation can provide the security and care to these pieces) Have you considered what these actions would do? Is the target country oppressing minorities, therefore is it ok to support such a regime? Where do you draw the line, if not? Would these regimes let the money go for the people or just hoard those themselves? Have you considered the skyrocketing nationalism and far-right ideas that would happen from this? Or if the nations are even able to support themselves right now? Did you consider the upcoming Great Depression? Agreeing with the title question is like putting Like in Facebook, if you do not have actual vision and plan with this. Otherwise I question peoples agendas over this. It sounds more like a vengeance and not justice. Colonialism was horrible and shit sucked. But if we actually went to do this whole repayment project, the pushback could be so bad that we might as well see the rise of fascism to the whole new highs, then the whole project would be cancelled and everything would be even worse.
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EtcetEraThread Jeremiah Wright was demonized, vilified, and disowned by Obama for saying "God Damn America!" but was he wrong
Reason User banned (duration pending): Rationalizing antisemitic speech
I missed this part when I first quoted you. While it is antisemitic to say that, there is valid cause to condemn Israel and the Israel lobby. Charges of antisemitism for saying the critique in the wrong tone are weaponized against critics of those oppressive institutions while at the same time, people in the palestinian territories are bombed and kept in an outdoor prison. Antisemitism is real still, there's been shooting at synagogues and growing antisemitic conspiracies that fuel a fascist resurgence but we have to ask who's house is on fire at this current time instead of tone policing. If Argentina got involved in a war, we would not condemn someone as racist for referring to the government of Argentina as Argentinians, we would understand that as metonymy. It is wrong to do that with Jewish people and Israel but people make mistakes in the context of the current human rights travesty that Israel's government is doing to Palestine which makes mispeaking or being offensive in speech a small thing next to bombs and walls, segregated roads, and checkpoints.
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EtcetEraThread It is time for European countries that participated in colonialism to repay the places they fucked over
Reason User Banned (2 months): concern trolling over a series of posts
Well you can't just have one rule for one and one rule for another. Do you feel strongly about Turkey repaying Europe for the colonialism of the Ottoman Empire?
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EtcetEraThread Hamilton is the highest rated movie of the year on Metacritic right now.
Reason User banned (duration pending): Trolling and derailing over a series of posts, admitting to trolling, just came back from a long ban for the same thing
Didn't see it. I might watch it out of curiosity, but it seems corny as hell
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User Banned (1 Month): Relitigating console wars in a sensitive thread, multiple prior bans for platform warring
This I guess people championed him cause he made fun of Major Nelson what a great guy! /s
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User Banned (2 Weeks): Concern trolling and whataboutism over multiple posts
Don’t think every Angry Joe vid needs a thread and prob wouldn’t care if he got banned but really dislike that kind of thing. I mean naughty dog themselves have been accused of many heinous things (crunch culture, attacking journalists as mentioned in the Jim Sterling vids) but it ok to praise the results of that effort?
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User Banned (1 month): Dismissing misogyny, inflammatory community generalization
I agree with you but no point trying to reason with some of the posters here, it’s like they’re out for blood
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User banned (1 Month) - Dismissing concerns
I have to say I don’t understand the culture here where if a content creator is viewed as racist, sexist, bigot or whatever, that everyone calls for them to be banned, and then they most likely are. Don’t you think these people need to be talked about MORE than those with whom we share opinions? Is it not more important to see that these sorts of people exist and discuss how and why they got here, he’ll even call them out on their behaviour, rather than just sweeping them under the rug and pretending they don’t exist? That doesn’t help anything. I think it’s important to have discourse about and with people who have these sorts of views rather than just dismissing them
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GamingThread IDG: Other publishers are considering raising game prices for PS5 and Xbox Series X [development costs have increased by 200%/300% compared to 2005]
Reason User Banned (3 Days): Hostility, Accusations of Shilling/Astroturfing
I am getting convinced that anyone who is ok with this or even encouraging price increase in this thread is shareholder, astroturfer or/and a bot.
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GamingThread Actress Laura Bailey getting heinous harassment and death threats over The Last of Us 2 character
Reason User Banned (Duration Pending): Ableism, prior severe bans.
Unfortunately everyone uses the internet, including the mentally ill you would have to be mentally ill to go after an actor for the actions of a character they didn’t write for, let alone threatening violence over fiction in general.
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GamingThread Actress Laura Bailey getting heinous harassment and death threats over The Last of Us 2 character
Red Text Please report posts that you find problematic and avoid derailing the thread by attacking each other. Let's dial this back a bit and keep on topic.
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GamingThread Actress Laura Bailey getting heinous harassment and death threats over The Last of Us 2 character
Reason User Banned (3 Weeks): Driving a thread derailment with whataboutism, multiple bans for console warring.
If Neil had shown equal sensitivity to Laura's plight than that of his other employees (which we all know about) in his Twitter outings then that would I would concur.
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GamingThread Actress Laura Bailey getting heinous harassment and death threats over The Last of Us 2 character
Reason User Banned (3 Days): Thread derailment.
I appreciate that he's defending the folks who worked with him on the game, but my God is this guy far up his own ass.
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GamingThread Actress Laura Bailey getting heinous harassment and death threats over The Last of Us 2 character
Reason User Banned (2 Weeks): Inappropriate off-topic driveby
Wonder how many threats she got for playing a black woman in U4?
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GamingThread Actress Laura Bailey getting heinous harassment and death threats over The Last of Us 2 character
Reason User banned (3 days): hostility over a series of posts
Hard to miss any opportunity whatsoever to dunk on Neil huh? Sending death threats to voice actors is a mental health issue, need anything else cleared up?
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GamingThread Buff women in video games
Reason User Banned (permanent): Misogyny. Double down. Account in junior phase.
i didn't miss those, but it seemed food was rationed heavily. 1 Burito a day isn't enough, also yeah i saw the gym but even with proper modern diet and workout she would need more than 3 years to go from flashback to her current muscle mass and very probably steroids too. My head cannon is that she is indeed on roids, but that really isn't a fact since the game never tell you. Also why is no one attacking zarya or other examples in this thread, i feel like it's unfair to just attack people for hating women with muscles just because someone said that abby is kinda unrealistic in the context of the game. also the problem is not that she has defined muscles actually it's her muscles mass, she actually isn't that definedi dont think i have seen any character stronger than abby other than those big mini bosses but they come in both genders anyways
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GamingThread The Last of Us: Part II sold more in the UK in June than the rest of the top 10 combined
Reason User Banned (1 day): Thread whining, prior warning for similar
Should we also make threads when Animal Crossing does the same thing in Japan every month?
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User banned (Duration pending) - Dismissing misogyny, account in junior phase
I like his reviews. In fact, I look forward to them after a big release. The pre-skits with Other Joe and company. His real-time reactions. How pissed he gets when he dislikes something like microtransactions, EA reskins, short 4 hour campaigns on $60 games, etc...Hilarious. *shrug* Everyone loved him in the other forum when he was making “You fucking idiots!” videos about Microsoft and EA no matter how inappropriate he got. This HAD to be the game that drew the line huh? Even though I enjoyed many portions of the game, I too left extremely disappointed and agree with many of Joe’s points. So many plot holes, so many undeveloped characters, unnecessary shock moments. Are people really going to dismiss his entire 48 minutes of, in my opinion, entertaining content because of a couple dumb comments about Abby?
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User Banned (1 Month): Sexism across a series of posts
It´s unrealistic without steroids. You can sure look like her but let´s not pretend that Colleen Foster is natural. Abby would need steroids to look like she does as well, especially with only one burrito a day.
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GamingThread FGC Member Mikey (CrackPr0n) accuses EVO Organizer Joey "Mr. Wizard" Cuellar of Sexual Harassment, Pedophilia UP: Admits it
Reason User banned (one month): inappropriate commentary in a sensitive thread; history of similar infractions
Low Tier Gawd won
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GamingThread FGC Member Mikey (CrackPr0n) accuses EVO Organizer Joey "Mr. Wizard" Cuellar of Sexual Harassment, Pedophilia UP: Admits it
Reason User Banned (2 Weeks): Inappropriate derail and trolling in a sensitive thread
EVO always treated the Mortal Kombat scene like absolute trash. The absolute worst was when they gave Injustice 2 Top 16 time slot to stream Tekken 7 Arcade (a game no one outside Japan/Korea had experience in) pool play instead. Especially after the previous year it gave one of the best storyline matches in the MKX grand finals. EVO never was about celebrating fighting games but instead pandering to the various games made in Japan. Nothing of value is lost if it dies.
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EtcetEraThread Ray Fisher accuses Joss Wheadon of abuse on set of Justice League (Geoff Johns and Jon Berg named as enablers)
Reason User banned (1 month): concern trolling around timing of abuse accusation, prior ban for victim blaming.
I already know this answer but why the hell did it take him all this time to say anything? He could have join Gal when she spoke out. Despite this current climate.
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GamingThread NXGamer: The price of next-generation?
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Platform warring and hostility; numerous prior infractions for platform warring, account in junior phase
I don't really want to get into a tit-for-tat on where you're biased as it would lead me to get banned as you are very liked here, all I will say is that your shift of content from a year ago to what it has been these last couple of months is much different with an extra dose of PS centered content taking main stage. I don't wish to further derail this thread. Enjoy your day and keep making content.
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GamingThread Bloomberg: Sony weighing bid for Leyou Technologies (Warframe, LoTR etc)
Reason User Banned (1 Day): Platform Warring; Prior Warning for the Same
Funny, especially since we know Sony gives total creative freedom to their devs contrary to MS.
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User banned (permanent): Defending misogyny, just came back from a ban for trolling, account in junior phase.
its sad to see how people are triggered af when it comes to tlou2 just stop it. stop defending the project. stop desperate insults towards everyone who objectively criticizes this game. You can't change the climate around the project. you can't possibly affect overall atmosphere. why bother?
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GamingThread Angry Joe really went full misogyny with The Last of Us Part II huh?
Reason User banned (permanent): sexism over a series of posts, account in junior phase
I do agree that abby being muscular makes no sense in the context of the game but Joe is just wrong on this. That review is an L
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GamingThread Speaking of trans issues let's talk about racism and the general disregard of brands when we call them out for it.
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Troll account.
User Banned (2 weeks): inappropriate pedantry in a sensitive thread Is this even real...no these threads do not speak for negros in gaming...I am sick of white people feeling sorry for me...I knew what gaming was when I enter it. You are not helping us black gamers...we do not need your pandering or saving.
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GamingThread Speaking of trans issues let's talk about racism and the general disregard of brands when we call them out for it.
Reason User Banned (3 Months): Concern Trolling Over Multiple Posts in a Sensitive Thread; Prior Severe Ban
This isn't the case though, in fact we literally know the misinformation is one of the single largest problems with the internet. Plenty of resources seem fine and others will come along and point out the problems. It's hard to find not just a good resource but one that works for you (I for example am not a book person, and barely a Youtube person). In fact, when there are lots resources the biggest problem is choice paralysis, you literally get overwhelmed and don't know where to start. Asking for help is not always an option in some cases, especially when deliberate ignorance is a common way to troll others. People get sick of it, they become suspicious, positive intent is not assumed anymore. And particularly for minorities they wind up becoming the go-to and it can feel like a burden to be that person. Bad faith being the rule is the whole problem. Nobody wants to deal with ignorance, nobody can tell if it's even legitimate. But learning is not passive. You cannot read a book and understand what bigotry and other things are and what they might mean. You need to be able to present ideas and be challenged on them, for better or worse that's exactly how message board communication works. It's not a one-way blog for people to throw their thoughts into the world, it's an anonymous debate. It's not always intuitive to think of it in those terms, but that's what we're working with. Acceptability isn't results, it's just saying you hate dealing with it. It would be nice if certain things didn't need saying, but they do. There's a lot of hand-holding that needs to happen whether anyone likes it or not. Now, it's not anyone's responsibility and it's entirely fair to be fed up with it and wish they'd all go away, but it's the sort of social hygiene that needs to be done and to be honest, for the important things I wouldn't trust a surrogate to get it right either.
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EtcetEraThread Black man killed by neo-nazi in Denmark imitating the killing of George Floyd
Reason User banned (permanent): dismissing concerns around white supremacism. Prior ban for dismissing and speaking over the concerns of minority members.
They are not wrong. A Danish neo-nazi such as the one in this sorry episode is just as likely to be racist against eastern or southern Europeans, because that's the thing with nazis, they believe one sub-group of Europeans is superior to others. Racism and xenophobia in Europe has always been targeted against the outsiders, and to a Danish a Spaniard, or an Italian or a Serbian also an outsider. --- I think that is an important factor many Americans do not consider when discussing racism in Europe. In the US, Euro-Americans have all coalesced into a sort of semi-homogenous blob, the so-called "white people". They maintain some quirks from their European ancestors like some dishes or family traditions, but in the end one white American is very much like the other, particularly newer generations. Hence white supremacism, in the US, is this idea of group superiority against others, "white people" vs. "the rest (PoC)". In Europe, where racism most definitely exists and it is rampant and no one should ever put that in doubt, native Europeans haven't merged into "one people". A Swede is nothing like a Slovene, who is nothing like a Portuguese, and in all aspects: looks, culture, language, religion. Thus, you don't need to be non-white to be "the other". I mean, as people like to bring up the Nazis, they thought Slavs were "sub-human" and that Mediterraneans were "not as good" when compared to Germanics, and yet this was all "white people" (in American terms). Southern Europeans are often victims of discimination in northern Europe and eastern Europeans are often victims of discrimination in western Europe. People from Africa, Asia and the Middle East have the aggravating factor that on top of everything they look different, have a skin, or dress too differently, etc, which greatly increases their chances of being "othered", of suffering discrimination or even worse, racially motivated attacks as I personally believe was the case in this occassion. I do not think this can be reduced to being "white supremacism", because racially motivated attacks in Europe happen all the time unfortunately, and most of the victims are other Europeans (ask the Polish in the UK). Maybe the individual of this specific event was in fact anti-black and would only target African people. But racism in Europe is not a "white people vs the rest" situation (ie white supremacism) as it is in the US, it is more of a "my ethnicity/related-ethnicities vs others". That's the point I'm trying to make and that I believe other Europeans try to make when they speak about the specific circumstances of European racism. And if it makes any difference, I'm a mixed race European.
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EtcetEraThread Black man killed by neo-nazi in Denmark imitating the killing of George Floyd
Reason User Banned (2 weeks): concern trolling
Saying the way racism manifests itself in the US and EU is different makes me racist. Great work detective, you caught me.
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EtcetEraThread Black man killed by neo-nazi in Denmark imitating the killing of George Floyd
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing concerns around racism in Europe. Prior severe ban or dismissing concerns around racism in America.
Don't wanna derail the thread since this is important news. Just gonna say that no, while every country in the first world has racism problems, equiparating america and "europe" is ridicolous. There's no way most countries in the union have police brutality, racial divide, shootings, public and rampant white supremacism incited by the highest government figure. I understand that feeling dogpiled as Americans feels bad, but this isn't how you get a "SEEE?? GOTCHA!". Anyhow. The problem with Denmark, as far as i understand from having lived close to it and acquaintances (one of my good friends is a very well educated Somali heritage Danish born) is that shit is *normalised* there. It MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT in the vast majority of countries. You should probably just come to accept it instead of trying to rile up circlejerking.
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EtcetEraThread Black man killed by neo-nazi in Denmark imitating the killing of George Floyd
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing racism over a series of posts, junior account
I don't agree with you and I find your view on this particularly destructive. There is plenty of racism in Europe, but I reject he idea that it is 1:1 equivalent with the American racisme. Plenty of racist aspects in Europe are affected by local factors and ignoring that by wholesale import of American movements, ideas and view on racism is so massively unhelpful that it is hard to overstate. At it's simplest a majority of the public will reject the notion of racism because the contextual framing applied is American and thus have a poor contextual fit for the racism in a European country.
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EtcetEraThread Black man killed by neo-nazi in Denmark imitating the killing of George Floyd
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Troll Account
Yes, racism was invented in Europe. Before that every other culture lived in peace and harmony. Europe like any other place on earth has problems, including racism. Also a big problem is the way people are looking at those coming from poorer eu countries.
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EtcetEraThread Kanye Loser does a video for PragerU, it's about as horrible as you'd expect from this thread title [EDIT: From old interview. West maybe didn't know]
Reason User Banned (3 Months): Misogyny.
So is every fake hoe in that family that spreads their legs for the dollar, he’s one of them.
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GamingThread Bloomberg: Sony weighing bid for Leyou Technologies (Warframe, LoTR etc)
Reason User Banned: Platform Warring, trolling
This thread has an extremely high Wall of Shame potential, comparing and contrasting responses of posters between this thread and the various Microsoft acquisition rumours.
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GamingThread Bloomberg: Sony weighing bid for Leyou Technologies (Warframe, LoTR etc)
Reason User warned: Platform warring
Oof at Era' hypocrisy. MS acquisitions are cheered on loudly everywhere where as doom and gloom for Sony. Anyway this is an interesting bid and would certainly be very interesting to see how it all plays out in the end.
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GamingThread FGC Member Mikey (CrackPr0n) accuses EVO Organizer Joey "Mr. Wizard" Cuellar of Sexual Harassment, Pedophilia UP: Admits it
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing accusations of rape over multiple posts.
This one reads like they had drunken sex and then he went and told people about it.
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EtcetEraThread Psycho Woman Pulls Gun On Black Woman After Nearly Running Her Over [UP: woman and husband charged with felonious assault]
Reason User banned (permanent): Concern trolling in regards to racism, account in junior phase
Y’all need to see the full video. Both parties are to blame.
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EtcetEraThread Psycho Woman Pulls Gun On Black Woman After Nearly Running Her Over [UP: woman and husband charged with felonious assault]
Reason User banned (permanent): Concern trolling in regards to racism, account in junior phase
Not saying her pulling a gun out in this situation is justified but come on ppl, the women filming are absolute trash, causing a scene to go viral. Again, watch the FULL damn vid!