EtcetEra HangoutsThreadUS PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.
ReasonUser Banned (1 Month): Inflammatory False Equivalence Around Concerns of Racism
I'm not stupid enough to say anything in that thread, but... If we saw right-leaning forums say the same things about right-leaning protests and riots, we'd not skip a beat to call the posters out for all but advocating for violence and disorder.
EtcetEra HangoutsThreadSocialism |OT| The Dawn of a Red Era
ReasonUser Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive and disruptive behaviour towards minority members in a community thread.
I don't mind listening.
I don't like being attacked for something I didn't even do.
But alas, if you all feel that screaming about the rich at everything and everyone is gonna yield you results then fine.
what the fuck is wrong with this forum? We had a mass exodus of political regulars, solid and valuable members to the site as whole, due to the alienation caused by the Tara reade thing and now we have forum moderators coming here and spinning more shit. What does your second sentence even mean? Why is it even said? are you guys literally trying to just denounce anything against Biden and shit up any meaningful political threads?
EtcetEra HangoutsThreadUS PoliEra 2020 |OT4| "What a tremendous year the past 12 days have been"
ReasonUser Banned (3 days): Hostility across multiple posts, prior bans for hostility
Second time you've brought this up, if you don't want us in here then at least have the courage to explain why and ask us to leave.
But as far as I can see, this is a thread for discussing US politics and that covers Biden
EtcetEra HangoutsThreadUS PoliEra 2019 |OT10| Go Absent Yourself
ReasonUser Banned (permanent): misogyny, previous severe and related infractions
The man who's network is half women? The man who literally handed the reigns of TYT to a woman?
Sure, he did some dumb shit as a younger dude. Many of us have. I mean, Joy Ann Reid posted hateful shit on her own blog and lied her ass off about it. How many of you still watch her?
And no doubt, hes gonna have to answer for those things in debates. But personally, I have no reservations about his policies.
EtcetEra HangoutsThreadUS PoliEra 2019 |OT8| The sexual deviancy of Elizabeth Warren
ReasonUser Banned (5 Days): Sexist Commentary
I do think many of you including myself are living in a bubble re warren.
I am getting surrounded by Hillary 2.0 vibes here in MN. My wife says she doesn’t like warren. My coworker best bud says warren is a gun to the head candidate. My mom my dad don’t like warren.
These are all lifelong dems and they all don’t like warren. I love her and donate to her and I hope she wins the whole thing.
But honestly just the vibe to me is that she’s fucking worse than Hillary at this point in terms of talking about her from people I know.
And honestly I will say she looks like a crazy pissed off bird woman in all all these debates. Everyone i watch these debates with says with no prompting damn she looks fucking crazy. Her fucking eyebrows don’t move (and that’s true). Just saying anecdotally I get Hillary vibes and it ain’t good.
ReasonUser banned (1 month): Attacking other members over concerns of sexual assault allegations
This is EXACTLY why those of us with cooler heads insisted "Believe Women" means "treat the allegations seriously and investigate appropriately."
If the details of the Salon article are anywhere close to accurate there is a lot of behavior by both posters and mods in the original thread that's going to age REALLY badly once a more thorough look at Reade is completed.
I am actually extremely excited because based on all the indisputable proof against trump, his conduct and abuse of power, his history of sexual harassment, etc. We have all this proof and thats great because it beans one of two things:
1. If the senate trial occurs before the 2020 election thanks to all the facts 100 perent of all senators will vote to remove him
2. whatever democrat runs against trump in 2020 will obtain all 538 electoral votes.
What a great time to be alive
ReasonUser Banned (2 months): concern trolling and minimizing allegations of sexual assault
Isn't there an official thread for this Biden bedwetting stuff? Again, we're in a pandemic claiming 99% of the news cycle. I'm not saying this news isn't important, but on the totem pole of important or interesting things we should be talking about here, this Biden stuff should be somewhere at the bottom.
ReasonUser Banned (Duration Pending): Dismissing Allegations of Sexual Assault; Prior Infractions Related to Sexism
Yeah, this Biden story so far seems to be living exclusively in low rent conservative media, not even Fox or OANN have run with it yet. Makes me think it's already been investigated and no corroborating evidence could be found. If Biden did this, used his aides to create a situation where he would be alone with this woman to assault her, it wasn't the first or last time. That's not some rookie move, it's something you've done before and know you could get away with, and there would be other accusers.
ReasonUser Banned (1 Month): Dismissing allegations of sexual assault.
Probably help if we just waited and let this play out however it does. It seriously seems like a ton of people have made their minds up already and I can’t help but think a ton of it relates to people hating Joe Biden’s guts vs supporting a rape victim.
Shows even more when people say they’re abandoning the Democratic Party or not voting if these allegations go nowhere or they don’t get the result they’re looking towards. Heaven forbid we wait until mainstream journalists do their sourcing and see what they found.
Red TextEnough with the metacommentary, and enough with the hostility and sniping. We will be reviewing the reports and actioning members taking part in either of these things. Please get back on topic.
If you were serious about any of this you wouldn't have a Hilary avatar. She has a history of silencing victims of assault and supporting her rapist husband. You're literally downplaying/denying her history whilst clearly bullshitting about how you think all women should be believed because looking like you have morals is more important than having morals.
I'm in no way downplaying the trauma you went through but you don't care about other victims. You're parading around an avatar celebrating a slave using terf to own Bernie bros. That's what you actually care about.No it's not. Nobody would have argued this with Christine Blasey Ford and nobody thinks Kavanagh was innocent after the hearing/investigation. Everybody here understands how difficulty allegations of sexual assault are to prove and what what "believe all women" means. It was already concerning enough that people who support Joe already like to pretend Anita Hill doesn't exist but this is on another level. He has a history of defending sexual predators and inappropriately touching women/children; it's not as this is some shocking revelation that came out of nowhere.
Stop politicising how you perceive sexual assault based on your party.
EtcetEra HangoutsThreadUS PoliEra 2019 |OT7| "May God Ruin Him"
ReasonUser Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Community Attacks and Antagonizing Other Users Over Multiple Posts
PoliERA is one of the worst places I've ever discussed politics online, and there's a lot of bad places I've tried to discuss politics online.
You all are so damn up your own asses that you clearly are incapable of even trying to understand anyone not inside your bubble.
EtcetEra HangoutsThreadUS PoliEra 2020 |OT4| "What a tremendous year the past 12 days have been"
ReasonUser Banned (duration pending): hostility, trolling over a series of posts, long history of the same behavior
Just a probalistic example off the top of my head tbh? I removed it because it was needlessly and overly specific without any justification. Worst case it actually applies to someone here and they think I was talking about them.
Man. I had to just hit ignore on the Etc thread. And the OP, too, who was so thirsty to make sure every complaint got a new threadmark. As the thread descended into a dogpile and banfest it just got really difficult to stomach.
I'm hoping that if I can just use the ignore list feature I can enjoy the site a bit more than I have been, but it seems like toxic behavior by people who are ideologically aligned with the moderation's positions is bound to go unchecked, while crossing the moderation's personal beliefs will pretty much catch you a ban one way or another - usually because of the assertion that such disagreement constitutes "defending sexism," or "dismissing racism," no matter how careful the person is to say that they abhor sexist and racist actions they believe are happening, "Drive-by" is one that only comes out if you're not in lock-step, despite dozens of completely disingenuous, unsubstantiated, dismissive one-liners that are on the preferred side of a discussion flying by with no problem; it's a good catch-all if the mods just want to hit mute on someone who isn't down with the position being taken.
This is not to say RLM is above criticism, but the discussion is never about criticizing a thing someone said, it's a rush to make a broader judgement call on who the person is. In that kind of environment it is really difficult to make this case that "I don't think they're that kind of person - here's why," even though that's the exact question being begged when the OP begins a crusade to cancel someone. And it's difficult because going there to make the discussion about the kind of person they are is engaging more with the general than the specific complaint, which treads into appearing to "handwave" or "dismiss" or "defend."
I love how progressive this place is - the political threads are really fun for me for that reason, this is all just about the toxicity of the discussion trajectory that happens time and again and how moderation enables it. I don't notice it so much when the target is something I'm less familiar with, or if I agree unreservedly in the takedown in progress. In the case of RLM, it disturbed me quite a bit.