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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Banned (6 weeks): Making personal attacks even after receiving multiple warnings and bans for that same reason. Ban extended after review.
I nowhere had said that "rape is fine". If you have read it like this, you need to step away from your kool-aid and check your stupid useless head. I said there is difference, between "rape" and "bad flirting", which is true. I deeply detest any form of violence against women, including rape and harassment. At the same time, I think there is a fine line, between, accusing people and automatically assume "guilty until proven innocent". That is all. With that said, I am out. I am not good enough to join your club, where your masturbate each other egos. Have fun, but know that your whining won't change the world one bit. Get a healthy dose of reality, college drop-outs.
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Reason User's previous 3-day ban was extended to 1 week for this post for: Repeated rude, dismissive and bad faith arguing.
One single character design could not, even theoretically, put me off from playing the game. It would be petty on my part and I have never understood when people do that, because, it's one design out of many and game consists out of many things, like gameplay, music, other designs, e.t.c. Being turned off the whole package by just one single aspect is senseless and illogical to me. For example: I really disliked a lot of designs in MK9 - most of the female designs in this game were tasteless and boring (especially Mileena, who was one of my favorite characters in the past) and she, alongside Kitana was heavily shafted both in costume and story departments. Nevertheless, I am really big fan of the series and I really loved the gameplay. It's possible to like the game and admit that there are some problems with it, be it designs or gameplay. On the other hand, there is MGSV. Despite my big love for the series and the fact that MGS2 has one of the biggest influences on my outlook on what video games could be, I didn't want to play this game, due to the multiple problems, like some designs, story decisions and gameplay. So all in all, I can be turned off the game, when there are more things then one that I dislike. As for diversity - you have already said it - I'd like to see more characters of various ethnicities as long as they nicely written. Often I see people saying characters and going "good enough / at least it's something", i can understand it, but it doesn't really sit well with me, because, "token" character doesn't really feel genuine. Of course, it is case by case thing. There is no such thing as "sacrosanct" games. Everything can be criticized as long as criticism makes sense and not goes into realm of personal taste. If you lost friends because of such stupid shit, it is your problem, not theirs. Zealousy is never good. As this thread proves. Someone in this thread said, that, when people address problematic stuff, some people take it as if ti was personal insult. I see a great irony, that you take my criticism of some people as a personal slight. "Vaguely antagonistic"...What is this? You can't even figure out what I was trying to say, but you still say that I did something bad. OK. "Rude, dismissive, hostile". So many buzzwords. So little meaning. It's like you have a dictionary, which you apply, whenever, possible, with zero understanding and contexts.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: offensive and disingenuous comparison. Anime fandoms are not a protected class.
How does that make you difference form a sexist or racist? Honestly ? I've seen enough Asians driving badly so I lost all faith in Asian's driving. All I see is emotional females so I lost faith in the female sex. Is that something I could say? It's just never good to generalize.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Persistent dismissive arguments after being banned for the same reasons, continuing to ignore mod warnings/bans. Ban extended on review.
Hey mods,
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Reason 1 Day Ban: A series of rude replies and bad-faith argumentation.
I should have worded my point differently - I think this opinion, that RE is somehow , and the rest of the Internet is worse - somewhat hilarious. Though for some people glass is always half-empty. Apparently some people don't understand how to make characters expressive via art style and see it as bunch of evil words for the sake of nerds. Oh well. Nope, got it first time, just wanted to clarify. Sorry, I am not specialist on fictional women. Goodspeed to you in this uneasy study. Should I send you a hand cream?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason Ban extended to permanent after review, based on history of ignoring prior warnings/bans, and for repeated sexist trolling.
This is the best thread ever It’s never ending I completely disagree with comparing racism with Cindy and Pyra and Quiet and some other female characters There is a reason why 1 is against the law and the other are games with teen ratings or even lower And no This is not because society accepts this and that but not that and that There are fundamental differences This is a no-brainer Its actually degrading the effect of racism If you want to make it as broad as how women are threated in some countries its more a good camparison of course But dont use it in discussions about Cindy etc Women in Iran are at this very moment literally risking their lives on the streets of Iran Yes how they are threated is like genatical racism But please dont get carried away in discussions about some character designs and comparing it to racism
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GamingThread HDR update of the Witcher 3 is out on PS4 [patch introduced serious pop-in issues on Pro]
Reason User Banned (3 Days): Console warring and conspiracy theories. Previously warned for similar behaviour.
Why wouldn't MS do that since they are desperate to get reasons into buy an One X?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason This user is warned for this post: Downplaying sexism.
Well no, but Racism is factually a wrong and evil thing I don't think ogling is, atleast not in media? I also don't think ogling in real life is necessarily bad as long as its not obvious or done to harass someone. Just really not sure how that compares?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User banned (1 week): user came back from a 2 day ban for not arguing in good faith and being dismissive of the arguments being made in this thread then continued to do the same thing.
Oh, I dunno. Maybe most people just like to play games and don’t want irl politics to interfere with that...but hey, what do I know? ¯\_(?)_/¯
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GamingThread Dark Souls Remaster coming to Nintendo Switch (Delayed), Xbox One, PS4, and PC on 05/25
Reason User Warned: Accusing developers of being 'lazy'.
They just pulled up the brightness and took off all helmet textures to get stable FPS is my guess. Maybe they aren't lazy but they will not feel the urge to do something out of the box if they have calculated we will give them that amount of money before-hand without craving something back. (ok, seems it's the publishers responsibility to give the remaster developers the proper resources) I pre-ordered MHW and will not play it until it gets a locked 30 fps patch. Capcom are really lazy not giving us that for example
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason Member was warned for ignoring guidance in the OP. 'It's just entertainment'.
What it comes down to, is that a group of people wants games to set a positive example by only including content that they agree with. And I think that's scary. I don't want game developers to encourage certain thoughts or behaviors. I wouldn't trust them with such an important task anyway. Developers shouldn't be lumbered with raising and educating people. They're just creating entertainment. Entertainment that reflects the real world. Entertainment catered towards people's desires. That's the free market.
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Reason Member was warned for dismissing the issue 'That's just how it is'. Derailing.
That's just how it is, really there are giant double standards in real life just as they are in video games. Women tend to be sexualized more and male characters tend to be cattle set for slaughter in violent games. That would be an interesting topic to discuss.
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Reason 72 hours ban for a series of posts in this thread: persistent sexist argumentation.
Find some and ask them, maybe they can take a joke unlike some here in the West.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Has Been Warned For: Consistently disingenuous and aggressive posts.
Yea and a game decides to appeal to certain audience that's horrible and it should be deleted from the world right? That's sure how people make it sound these days. If a pub chooses to make a game to appeal to everyone that's fine, but when they decide to go another way they should be able to do that without the fear of having to censor their art to appease the eternally triggered.
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Reason The user was warned for this post. Don't make disingenuous arguments to shut down criticism of sexualization in games. Don't equate criticism of fanservice to actual abuse.
Criticizing fanservice and then saying you don't want it banned is the same as verbally abusing a person for their clothes and then expect them to continue wearing them. And in case of video games, where the consumer has all the power and the social media is capable of persuading masses, criticizing fanservice literally leads to less interest from devs in localization and development of such titles. Some publishers now avoid releasing games in the west because of the abuse they receive for their games' content and have to resort to publishing their games in English in Asia to avoid controversy. If this weren't the case, you'd just be wasting your time complaining on the internet ad nauseam. I guess you should be happy knowing that you're affecting the industry with your "harmless" posts.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason The user was banned for amassing multiple warnings and this post (48 hours). Sexual harassment isn't a geographical issue, and ignoring problems doesn't solve them. Argue in good faith, or don't participate in discussions you clearly don't care about.
Bruh, I’m not American and all the sexual harassment going on has nothing to do with me or video games. I’m not a woman, and the devs are allowed to create whatever they want and you’re free to criticise it, that’s your problem. But instead of arguing about something you don’t like constantly expecting it to just change out of nowhere, how about you just ignore it instead and play something you don’t find offensive. Also you don’t represent all women even if you are one, just saying.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was banned for 24 hours: Dismissing the opinions and concerns of other posters in this thread, despite the instructions in the OP to avoid doing that.
Maybe the camera angles show "cleavage and panty shots", but you are the one obsessing over them. I'm sure the camera angles also show faces, feet, shoulders, clavicles, knees, and possibly arm pits. You are the one projecting sexual desire on them. Cleavage is not innately sexual. It is only your sexual repression which makes anything forbidden into something arousing. You make it dirty, not the camera. And I find that shameful because I don't make it dirty, and I find your behavior degrading to women when you reduce them to just a bunch of sexual parts, ignoring their personhood, and remove their agency by telling them how they should be allowed to dress.
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Reason This user was warned for this post: Previously warned by moderation to read OP and decided to whine about moderation instead
Well its hard to comment on this subject, because you get easily banned. I dont see whats the hole point of this topic, if you cant freely comment.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Banned (1 day): Driveby post violating a guideline set in the OP.
If the devs like to sexualised they characters, men or woman, they have every right to do so. If you don't like it, go play something else!
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Reason User Banned (1 week): Extremely sexist post, telling women what they can or can't talk about, after coming back from a month-long ban
To a certain extent I agree with OP on females in games. If a game is heavily action or combat oriented and features females performing said action or combat I'd like them to look more the part in terms of having visible muscle tone and being decked out in combat appropriate gear. However, this desire comes from an entirely different place. In my case I simply appreciate the female form and think females actually look cooler than males when they're fit and decked out in battle gear on top of being sexy, it's my own preference. For example if I'm playing an MMO and there's a muscle slider I'll always make full use of it and try to go for outfits that make my female character look like a badass. So if I were in charge of game design I'd make sure any females that are performing in combat look the part, however I would not do away with the eye candy and I'd make said combat appropriate females look idealized and attractive. I'd still have those eye candy females in the game but they'd be entirely there for the sake of fan service and would serve absolutely no role in the combat whatsoever. I love fanservice and the sexualization of females in games, however where I disagree with many other games is that the sexualized eye candy females should not be the playable characters or the ones performing the action. Now let me make clear that I'd still have these eye candy females as the cheerleaders, the maids, or any other non-combat service role since that's honestly where those types of females should be imo, not fighting. I think that if a female is going to be performing on the battlefield she should actually look like she could absolutely fuck shit up. So that'd probably be where I also disagree with OP and those against the sexualization of females in games, I think there's a place for these types of sexualized females and that's it's just a matter of better writing to properly fit these females in the game that makes a good amount of sense. But even disregarding that, this notion that it's somehow "problematic" to have these sexualized females in the game is one that I actually find offensive. Let's just set the record straight here and point out that yes, this sexualization is in fact done for the male gamer and usually something the Dev wants to do. The types of games that sexualize their females where never for any of the people who'd find it offensive to begin with. It's not like there's some kind of plot to demean females through games and promote them to be over sexualized IRL, it's simply something that's done to get the attention of your typical male gamer. So don't treat it like it's this huge problem that needs to be addressed, it absolutely isn't. There are games that don't sexualize females and those are the types of games that OP and those that share that sentiment should focus on. I don't agree with complaining about it because it gives the impression that companies and Devs are somehow doing a bad thing by having these sexualized females in their games, and that simply isn't true. There's nothing sexist about wanting to have an overly sexed out female in a game and enjoying that, it's perfectly normal and doesn't cause any harm to anybody besides those that can't cope with views they don't like and can't, for whatever reason, disregard it. I could make the argument that games which don't sexualize their females are somehow problematic and prudish, but my argument wouldn't be any less valid than those of you complaining about games that do sexualize females, it's all subjective. Nobody is committing any fouls and that's my problem and those that are so negative towards you complaining's problem. You're all on this high-horse and acting like some kind of civil rights issue is at stake, it absolutely isn't and you all really need to tone it down. That this thread is 100+ pages is ridiculous. Not only isn't complaining like this going to not change anything, but will actively set many people against you to defend their hobby from this absurd criticism. Like I've said before, I think Anita is incredibly toxic for even making such an issue about females in games the way she did, because it creates a narrative that she's objectively right and those these companies and Devs are somehow the bad guys when that's just simply not the case. It almost feels like a group of outsiders trying to muscle in and make demands while acting like they're righteous. Stop it.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: comparing this community to fake feminist trolls on Twitter, mocking their concerns, accusing them of hurting their cause
EDIT after mod warning: It was really not my intention to offend nor mock anyone. I'll stay out of the thread from now on. If someone wants to reach me about it, please use MPs This, and the are the kind of hyperbole i'm talking about. Risque designs doesn't make a game a . Taking on Xenoblade 2, wich is the hot topic today, i can't help but thinking that those are really the designs the artists had in mind, gross or don't, and Monoloth/Nintendo wanted to respect that, and maybe, just there's no ulterior motives behind them. As far as i read about the game it seems to be well written and there's not much focus, if any, on sexualizing the characters whatsoever, wich would contradict the claim of a game and characters designed to pander only a determined demographic. You know, there's a spanish twitter account created by the right-wing forum forocoches posing as a feminist twitter account and dedicated to post ridiculous and overblown statements with objective of hurting the cause. This thread reminds me to that account sometimes, to the point of making me question the validity of some claims. There's also the claims that imply that only sexist otakus buy those games, wich maybe should be taken in account too.
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GamingThread Dark Souls Remaster coming to Nintendo Switch (Delayed), Xbox One, PS4, and PC on 05/25
Reason Member warned for drive by posting.
The only reason this is being released is to give the twitch / youtube douches something to do.
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Reason User has been warned: your 'meta-commentary' is not necessary for this thread and doesn't contribute anything to the topic.
112 pages.. LOL. Have you guys reached a conclusion?
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Reason User warned: drive-by trolling, not reading the OP
What is stopping people from creating non-sexualuzed designs? Nothing. Apparently they're creating things people want/like. Are you telling me I should not want/like this? Also, effin' lol at people saying shirtless buff men are not the same as sexualuzed women. I'd argue it's worse.
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Reason User Warned for explicitly and wilfully disregarding thread's topic to post in said topic to 'ignore' said topic
I just ignore it.
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Reason User warned: extreme mansplaining and condescension
I think you girls are misunderstanding what is happening in that gif. She gets hit on the lower left and that animation is her recovery. So do your boobs move if you get hit form the side?
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Reason User has been permanetly banned for this post.
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So THIS is where the scum of the internet known as NEOgaf went their leader got charged for sexual assault. After reading this thread i understand why no other forum wanted to host the refugee users. Hahaha, sorry but you are delusional, just look at Overwatch's popularity. Pussy sells, baby 8) . You can ban me from your moral masturbation white-knighting echochamber now, i said what i wanted to say. Focus on real problems and real women issues like for example the way they get treated like worthless objects in the middle east or india. OH WAIT, you don't give a shit, sorry, i guess that bringing cartoon girls away to some single men is more important. Stay well :)
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Reason Member was warned for disingenuous posting
According to there is no link between videogame consumption and sexist attitudes in gamers. As a matter of fact video games don't need to appeal to anything or anyone. If some games cater to people who want to see T&A it's because they're obviously in demand. Well, who says video games can't be the place for self-indulgence? If somehow everyone was required to play video games I would agree with you, but that's not the case. At the end of the day no one is forced to play anything.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User banned (3 days): repeated "white knights" dog-whistling after warnings, making stuff up about Japan
They not care. The Japanese are more open-minded than other countries in terms of sex. Specifically for my taste they take light years to other countries. They do not have so many prejudices. Thank God, there are no white knights in Japan and that's why we get amazing designs without censorship today. And as much as it bothers some of them this is part of their culture, manga and anime with designs of this type. And it will continue like that without changing, that luck that we have fans of the anime, the manga.
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Reason User banned (3 days) for repeated trolling and disingenuous argumentation
Look in medieval art women were portarayed as morbidly obese. That appeased their wealthy wives. But the athletic village girl and maid was always there. Take the reality behind closed doors as you will. Human height is determined by genes and with proper nutrition the average height went up quite a bit showing a dormant trait spread through many western populations.
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Reason Member was warned for drive by posting
I just wanna know where my 9S upskirt shots are
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Reason User warned for trolling
Sorry today I want to be a bad Person and laugh.
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Reason User has been perma-banned: comes into the thread with a claim that has been rebuked several times already and argues in bad faith.
Can we please stop this stupid argument of sexism in videogames? It's not even a real problem at all. It's a media like the others. Are you gonna criticize porn movies cause the women is objectified? Ofc no. It's like complaining about tits in a fanservice game like senran kagura. If you are a real feminist you should focus on real world problems, not on fittious ones.
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Reason User warned: trolling and/or failure to read OP and follow moderator instructions
Look, I'm basically all about developer freedom, and the (paying) market dictates what gets made. Gaming is a for-profit, entertainment medium. Its not a social service. For the most part, things get made because there is an audience that wants and is willing to pay for a certain type of product Sorry guys, but I'm against telling any dev to not make that "fanservicey" game that's targeted towards a certain male audience because honestly, why should they be denied the product they like and would want to purchase? I'm sorry, but I don't get the "outrage" all the time, and all the calls for this to banned/changed/censored, etc. If you don't like the looks of a certain game, don't buy it. If enough people agree with you, the game will fail commercially and I promise no more games will be made like that. Yes, its as simple as that. Of course, there is also the chance that enough people will buy the game and make it a success. No, it didn't succeed because the devs "inflicted" the game on us, and the ignorant masses bought it, but because the game found an audience that supported the game because of what it was trying to do. You should accept that someone made a game for an audience that isn't necessarily yourself. Sorry, it happens. But, you say, females make up half the audience and there is not enough female centric games?- then ladies (or guys who feel strongly that our fellow sisters aren't getting a fair shake) get computer science degrees, learn programming, gets jobs at devs and change their demographics and overall culture, and ultimately work on getting more of what you want made, or make your own indie lablel and make the game that suits your own fancy. If it appeals, then people will buy it. If it doesn't then they won't. But honestly, standing around banging a drum against certain aspects of games you disagree and think shouldn't be made is pointless, and remember there always is another opinion. Spend time with the things you like, skip/avoid the things you don't. Its the key to happy gaming (and a happy life in general).
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Reason User banned (1 week): repeated and persistent trolling across multiple posts
Very good question. It's a leftist thing. They believe they know what's best for everyone and have a compulsion to regulate everything. I can see where this whole thing is going. What the left wants. Eventually, the left is going to get the government to form something like "interactive entertainment content board". It will be run by some random unknown unelected people who will go through every game's content for "hate speech", "sexism", "racism", etc. They will determine what sort of content we are allowed to consume. And just like every other regulation, it will do more harm than good. First of all, it will require tax payers money to run it, publishers have to pay a fee to get their game evaluated for 'harmful' content, which will lead to more delays in release dates, because they might be forced to redo game assets the board finds offensive. In addition to that, it will add more cost to games, indies will have difficulties going through all these regulations and last but not least, creative vision is being altered. This is my prediction. It's what the left wants. They want to regulate everything. They want their subjective vision to govern reality.
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Reason Members was warned for disingenous posting
Yeah, I just edited back in and bolded the context of the entire post. He didn't talk about the female form, he talked about protection. Also "there is a between their visual design and the actual protection they (would) provide" And what is this disconnect based on? The real world? So argument is realism...
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Reason User warned: trolling, literal objectification
Here's the thing. Women happen to have such bodies, but they're not the only ones with said bodies, there are works of art that share said body type. Statues, dolls, drawings, all manner of art shares possession of said bodies. The female body design is public domain, it belongs to no group. Eventually there will likely be fully functional indistinguishable objects whose sole purpose is to serve and please. Barring legal issues, these objects will share the same human body design used by humans. If I happened to look like a broom, it matters little if I predate the broom. The broom would be an object that just so happens shares my appearance. When people talk of brooms or use brooms, I shouldn't be offended by such.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason Permanently Banned: Persistent trolling & user signed up with a banned email address.
I'm not even going to bother with this. Well, seeing how most, if not all the characters used as examples aren't even close to sexualization or just so minuscule that you have to resort to "camera angles" or simply tight clothing. A few characters in a big roster of fighting games that seem "sexualized" in your eyes doesn't mean the game has a problem. Also, here is another question I've been meaning to ask. Even if this game was dead or alive tier nudity, how would that be such a bad thing? My girlfriend and sisters don't mind this type of stuff, and in fact love playing as Mileena from Mortal Kombat. You can claim anecdotal evidence all you want, but the point is that this is such a nonissue since female gamers who really care about games wouldn't care about the characters or how they dress, they would instead care if it's fun. This is the thing I've been seeing lately that instead of gamers having fun with different games, people have to bring politics into things and dictate whether this or that is bad. Now I think I should stop commenting since the mods will probably ban me for trying to "derail" the thread, even though I'm not trying to do that.
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Reason This user was banned for 1 month for this post. We're not going to entertain discussion or defense of content sexualizing under aged children, whether real or fictional.
Let me rephrase then: why it be illegal? Child pornography is wrong not because it pleases pedophiles but because children are actually stripped naked and made to pose for a shot or even worse effectively forced in sexual intercourse. Drawings and CG do not have this so the fact that such productions are "creepy" can't be a reason to prohibit them as there is nobody hurt or exploited by this. While I still find such content particularly fucked up and I'm not interested in little girls still doesn't sit right with me to criminalize any victimless behaviour
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was banned (24h) for disingenuous arguments, ignoring the thread's history. Please at least read the OP before posting.
Games are full of half naked men with pounding muscles and textured nipples. Maybe in one out of hundred games there is a woman who is modeled in a sexist exploited way - and only then it becomes a "big deal". The hypocrisy knows no boundaries. If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women. Just watch any Hollywood movie and count the half naked men compared to half naked women, I swear you will be surprised by the ratio. Muscles everywhere, men are shown as sex objects much more often than women. And remember that all these products where men are being exploited, the producers are mostly men. How is it when the producers are women? Just look at the Japanese ikemen-gay games where almost all the staff are women. They draw some of the most sexist shit on this planet and make all men look like sex slaves to women. I do not like this debate.
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Reason User Ban Extended(to 7 days): Refusal to accept the entire point of moderation.
I do think it's quite ridiculous that mods can say "don't use this argument. we don't like it" Since when do mods get to add rules at their leisure for their convenience? But I'll drop the point since it's frowned upon.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Warned For: Thread Shitting. Clearly, many people in this community and in this industry find this to be a topic worth discussing.
With that analogy I would accept that industry has moved away from brought me to it and find something else. I rather use the energy to find something I like than try to change something. Here's another analogy. You're a fan of a gaming magazine. There's one console you like but over time the magazine starts neglecting it; favoring the other consoles over it. Do you send an angry letter and tell them to change it or do you find a new magazine that does cater to your taste?
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Reason User was banned. The email address and IP proxy used suggest it is a troll.
Where I come from, if you're a guy, age 25, and you don't have your own apartment, car and a steady job by that age, people are going to treat you as a manchild / loser. I can't even imagine the pressure a lot of guys feel. There is no equivalent to this for women. Nobody had any expectations out of me, not even my parents. I don't own anything and I don't have a job, and yet nobody is disappointed in me. Lucky me I guess lol. Suicide rates being sooo much higher for men make perfect sense when you think about it.
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Reason User Warned For: Drive-by and nonsensical posting.
That's some bullshit. To we have to thank third wave feminism for this?
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Reason User Warned For: Denying the obvious and derailing the topic. Structural and systematic sexism is a thing. Full stop.
Source?
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Reason User Banned (24 hour): Disingenuous explanation of a term at the expense of women's perspectives
It’s not a thing. It’s pretty much anyone who is condescending, whether man or woman. But somewhere down the line someone decreed that only guys can be condescending. It is also used as a catch all for someone disagreeing with a woman.
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Reason User was warned for invalidating others members' perspectives based on anecdotal evidence. The thread has many patient women and allies. Please listen to them.
I'm sorry that this bothers you so much. Personally I don't know many women that play console video games. So I don't really understand the perspective. All of the women I know spend time playing games on their phones and their tablets. I shop; a lot. I spend a great deal of time talking to other consumers and enthusiasts that are buying video games. They are pretty much all dudes. And when it is women, 7 out of 10 times they are buying for someone else. I had a lovely 15min conversation with a young mother just the other day that wanted to know all the ins and the outs of the Switch so she could buy one for her children. If you want to boil it down to its most simplest nature, video games are made by guys, for guys. They are the ones driving the vast majority of the revenue on console game sales. There are plenty of guys that like these games. Developers are supplying things that meet this demand. Some developers are also fortunate enough to create their own vision free from outside control. So they can make whatever they want to make. If a good percentage of people are repulsed by a title, then it won't sell well, and future iterations likely won't get financially supported. But they do sell well. Because people like them. The vast majority of people don't have any problems of principle with either MGS V or FF XV. I, too, am surprised there aren't more women making video games directed towards women. That way you could look past many of the games that were obviously made for other audiences. I'm not sure why there aren't more women making video games. I'll admit that I don't know much about the barriers in the industry that prevent more women from making games. But everywhere I go, everywhere I shop, everywhere I have conversations online, it's mostly dudes. If there were more women buying console video games I'm sure that you'd see more console games for women. It's kind of a catch22.
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Reason User warned: concern trolling and extreme mansplaining
1. IMO it's distasteful to insult designers and call their designs "trash" multiple times in a single post, no matter how much you hate them. Criticisms and insults are two different things, and I think your post was leaning to the latter. 2. Your title is misleading. Nowhere do I find why women criticized sexualised character designs. It should be titled "Why I criticized sexualised character designs", simply of the fact that you were not speaking for other women besides yourself, nor you providing any statistics to back up your claims(how many women would insult the designers the way you did? for example). 3. Are you implying that men don't criticized sexualised character designs as much as women do with a thread like this? Is there any reason and what's your intention to minimize men with your thread? 4. Quiet and Cindy and Mario and Kratos, etc. are game/fantasy characters, so asking for them to be treated like real people is baffling. FYI Snake and Raiden were running around naked in their games too(not just Quiet), and none of the characters in FFXV were wearing appropriate clothings for combat(not just Cindy). So do you see what's wrong? You are asking for fantasy games to be realistic and you are fighting for the rights of game characters. 5. Quiet and Cindy are side characters who are barely in their respective games. Did you really let that stop you from enjoying the games? Seriously? I just hope that people can play games the way they are meant to be played and try to enjoy them as much as they can, and know the differences between games and reality. Do you not understand that while you are protecting the rights of game characters you are actively insulting real life people(game developers)? Do you really think that you are accomplishing anything here in a gaming forum? Personally how I would fight for women's right in real life: Vote, donate, protest on the streets, educate, get involved, and behave as a decent human being in the real world. Insulting game developers in a gaming forum is just not my thing personally, that's all.
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Reason User warned: condescending, rudely dismissive, mansplaining
You aren't going to fix it. That train of thought is folly. You're pretty much asking for the entertainment media to change itself entirety. It's not going to happen. What you can do is stop being sensitive to it because nobody needs unnecessary stress in their life. I'll never understand why people choose to focus on what they don't like. Why look through at the world in a negative light? Why find things to complain about? What is the point of living if you surround yourself in negativity and stress yourself out by worriying about things beyond your control? Everybody, gaming is about having fun. If you don't like something then don't associate yourself with it. It's really that simple. Find things that you do like and focus on that.