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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was banned (24h) for disingenuous arguments, ignoring the thread's history. Please at least read the OP before posting.
Games are full of half naked men with pounding muscles and textured nipples. Maybe in one out of hundred games there is a woman who is modeled in a sexist exploited way - and only then it becomes a "big deal". The hypocrisy knows no boundaries. If there is someone who should be angry, it is the men. Men are some of the most exploited creatures on this planet. The sexism against men is ten times worse than the one against women. Just watch any Hollywood movie and count the half naked men compared to half naked women, I swear you will be surprised by the ratio. Muscles everywhere, men are shown as sex objects much more often than women. And remember that all these products where men are being exploited, the producers are mostly men. How is it when the producers are women? Just look at the Japanese ikemen-gay games where almost all the staff are women. They draw some of the most sexist shit on this planet and make all men look like sex slaves to women. I do not like this debate.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Ban Extended(to 7 days): Refusal to accept the entire point of moderation.
I do think it's quite ridiculous that mods can say "don't use this argument. we don't like it" Since when do mods get to add rules at their leisure for their convenience? But I'll drop the point since it's frowned upon.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Warned For: Thread Shitting. Clearly, many people in this community and in this industry find this to be a topic worth discussing.
With that analogy I would accept that industry has moved away from brought me to it and find something else. I rather use the energy to find something I like than try to change something. Here's another analogy. You're a fan of a gaming magazine. There's one console you like but over time the magazine starts neglecting it; favoring the other consoles over it. Do you send an angry letter and tell them to change it or do you find a new magazine that does cater to your taste?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was banned. The email address and IP proxy used suggest it is a troll.
Where I come from, if you're a guy, age 25, and you don't have your own apartment, car and a steady job by that age, people are going to treat you as a manchild / loser. I can't even imagine the pressure a lot of guys feel. There is no equivalent to this for women. Nobody had any expectations out of me, not even my parents. I don't own anything and I don't have a job, and yet nobody is disappointed in me. Lucky me I guess lol. Suicide rates being sooo much higher for men make perfect sense when you think about it.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Warned For: Drive-by and nonsensical posting.
That's some bullshit. To we have to thank third wave feminism for this?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Warned For: Denying the obvious and derailing the topic. Structural and systematic sexism is a thing. Full stop.
Source?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Banned (24 hour): Disingenuous explanation of a term at the expense of women's perspectives
It’s not a thing. It’s pretty much anyone who is condescending, whether man or woman. But somewhere down the line someone decreed that only guys can be condescending. It is also used as a catch all for someone disagreeing with a woman.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned for invalidating others members' perspectives based on anecdotal evidence. The thread has many patient women and allies. Please listen to them.
I'm sorry that this bothers you so much. Personally I don't know many women that play console video games. So I don't really understand the perspective. All of the women I know spend time playing games on their phones and their tablets. I shop; a lot. I spend a great deal of time talking to other consumers and enthusiasts that are buying video games. They are pretty much all dudes. And when it is women, 7 out of 10 times they are buying for someone else. I had a lovely 15min conversation with a young mother just the other day that wanted to know all the ins and the outs of the Switch so she could buy one for her children. If you want to boil it down to its most simplest nature, video games are made by guys, for guys. They are the ones driving the vast majority of the revenue on console game sales. There are plenty of guys that like these games. Developers are supplying things that meet this demand. Some developers are also fortunate enough to create their own vision free from outside control. So they can make whatever they want to make. If a good percentage of people are repulsed by a title, then it won't sell well, and future iterations likely won't get financially supported. But they do sell well. Because people like them. The vast majority of people don't have any problems of principle with either MGS V or FF XV. I, too, am surprised there aren't more women making video games directed towards women. That way you could look past many of the games that were obviously made for other audiences. I'm not sure why there aren't more women making video games. I'll admit that I don't know much about the barriers in the industry that prevent more women from making games. But everywhere I go, everywhere I shop, everywhere I have conversations online, it's mostly dudes. If there were more women buying console video games I'm sure that you'd see more console games for women. It's kind of a catch22.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: concern trolling and extreme mansplaining
1. IMO it's distasteful to insult designers and call their designs "trash" multiple times in a single post, no matter how much you hate them. Criticisms and insults are two different things, and I think your post was leaning to the latter. 2. Your title is misleading. Nowhere do I find why women criticized sexualised character designs. It should be titled "Why I criticized sexualised character designs", simply of the fact that you were not speaking for other women besides yourself, nor you providing any statistics to back up your claims(how many women would insult the designers the way you did? for example). 3. Are you implying that men don't criticized sexualised character designs as much as women do with a thread like this? Is there any reason and what's your intention to minimize men with your thread? 4. Quiet and Cindy and Mario and Kratos, etc. are game/fantasy characters, so asking for them to be treated like real people is baffling. FYI Snake and Raiden were running around naked in their games too(not just Quiet), and none of the characters in FFXV were wearing appropriate clothings for combat(not just Cindy). So do you see what's wrong? You are asking for fantasy games to be realistic and you are fighting for the rights of game characters. 5. Quiet and Cindy are side characters who are barely in their respective games. Did you really let that stop you from enjoying the games? Seriously? I just hope that people can play games the way they are meant to be played and try to enjoy them as much as they can, and know the differences between games and reality. Do you not understand that while you are protecting the rights of game characters you are actively insulting real life people(game developers)? Do you really think that you are accomplishing anything here in a gaming forum? Personally how I would fight for women's right in real life: Vote, donate, protest on the streets, educate, get involved, and behave as a decent human being in the real world. Insulting game developers in a gaming forum is just not my thing personally, that's all.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: condescending, rudely dismissive, mansplaining
You aren't going to fix it. That train of thought is folly. You're pretty much asking for the entertainment media to change itself entirety. It's not going to happen. What you can do is stop being sensitive to it because nobody needs unnecessary stress in their life. I'll never understand why people choose to focus on what they don't like. Why look through at the world in a negative light? Why find things to complain about? What is the point of living if you surround yourself in negativity and stress yourself out by worriying about things beyond your control? Everybody, gaming is about having fun. If you don't like something then don't associate yourself with it. It's really that simple. Find things that you do like and focus on that.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Warned For: Repeated arguing out-of-context. This thread is about the obvious disparity in how male and female characters are portrayed/sexualized in games. Not the very idea that the human form is attractive.
Stating that practically every human-being finds the human-form intrinsically pleasing is not insulting at all, it's generally something to be celebrated. Which is what SFV does. Wonderfully.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: repeated false equivalencies regarding objectification of women and "objectification" of men.
Do you see men on mass protesting not to buy SFV because Ryu is too dam sexy? Yea, it's because we don't care. In the slightest.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: Coming in a thread about women's opinions to tell them their opinion doesn't matter is rude and dismissive.
Video games are a form of art, if the developer chooses to use a certain style then let them. If an artist has a certain vision who are we to tell them it's wrong, just don't play that particular game.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason This user was banned for 2 weeks for this post: Topic Derailment, Arguing in Bad Faith, despite previous ban and numerous warnings
Well, my point is ALL lives matter. White, black, red, green and pink. Granted, the term "all lives matter" has been used to hell and back by conservative media as a push against BLM, but I like to think MY definition is juuuust a little different from theres: There's no color, . You crack us open, we're all made of the same gooey shit. Barring a few....anatomical differentiations, I'm exactly the same with men and women, and with regards to any sexed depictions of either one. I see no logical differentiation in sexes - probably why I'm bisexual! To me, men and women offer the exact same stuff in just different places, hence I tend to treat them the same. Maybe I'm...stupidly optimistic thinking that everyone will one day see past the barricades I see past. Or maybe I'm just fucked up and am a deviant in every way possible. But, this is regardless an opinion discussion, so here's my opinion: Complaining about stuff like this is silly. It's a double standard - for every female depiction which someone says is negative, you can find a male equivalent. And cherry picking to me is cheating. In times like these, I remember the Romans. They used to have this festival called Saturnalia where they celebrated and worshipped, well....Saturn. Naturally. Throughout Saturnalia, social castes were set aside, and sexes were set aside. You could literally be walking home with groceries and see people wandering about in the nude casually, or even having group sex out near the fountain square. Hell, you could even swap those groceries for a warm body for a casual pump for a few quick minutes before going back on your merry. Simply put, NOBODY GAVE A FUCK BACK THEN. They just. Had. Fun. They lived and loved to the fullest. And now....now we can't even love without getting offended over something. Don't you feel it's kind of tiring?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User Banned (24 hours): Thread Derail
This thread... Why do people think that all females feel this way about certain characters in a videogame? Because I'm telling you now, they just dont. You should change the thread title to "some" women. Also, why are some posters being warned/banned? Its a discussion...Its ok to disagree with others as long as the discussion is in a civilised manner.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason USER WAS WARNED FOR: Thread Derailing / Not Constructive
This isn't sexualization of male?? Just stop with this no sense.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: coming into a thread about women's opinions to denigrate them and say "why are you so mad"
I don't see how a game WOULD be a problem if it had slight sexualized female characters. Why get so mad? Just don't play the games. That's it. Don't ruin the fun for gamers who just want to play a game and escape.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason The user was banned for this post (3 days). If you don't care about the subject of a thread, and you don't care about the people posting in that thread, then maybe you shouldn't be in that thread trying to shut down discussion.
I care about me and my preferences. Not something bigger. I don't care if anyone is "fucking tired" of seeing such designs. I am not. I don't care how it affects, like any other sort of media, people's psychology or anything. Not everyone minds it. Not every woman, and definitely not me.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason Member was warned for drive by posting
It's not the popular term. It's the exclusive term. People need to not be so fragile. You could literally call me a specimen, man, boy, bubba. Idc. There are more important things in life than a name.
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GamingThread SHADOW OF THE TOMB RAIDER (XBO/PS4/PC) - Announcement Teaser (coming Sept. 14; full reveal April 27)
Reason User banned (1 week): sexism + history of trolling/hostile rhetoric
I know which Lara out of these three I'd rather look up to.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: could you be anymore condescending?
No one said there aren't any other issues in play. But if we want to have a serious conversation about a serious subject, it's better that we're not scatter-brained about the discussion. If you're not able to able to remain clear-headed and on topic, by all means skip my posts. I'm here to discuss the thread topic regarding character designs, even if you're not.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User has been banned for 3 days trolling and admitting that he enjoys trolling.
Uh-oh, I seem to have activated the hivemind... lel.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was suspended (24h): repeated trolling and condescension, ignoring mod warning
but those are YOUR feelings and sure probably some others, but now you are taking a voice away from all women, some who may just be fine with it. you want devs to pander to you instead of horny teens it's just as bad and sad that you don't see this. also the fact you specifically say "horny male" is insensitive to the LGBT community. why specify males? what about gay males who could care less? what about lesbian females or might like it? You may not agree with dev design choices and you have every right to do so, but you made this to push your agenda for your reasons, nothing else. You don't speak for everyone but you feel you do funny you assume i'm a man? also you must have never played DR3?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: insultingly condescending, trolling. "Don't like it, don't say anything" could easily apply to you posting in this thread.
your open criticism is an attempt to change the way devs design characters, and posting on an open forum is an attempt to get others to feel the same way. to say it's anything but is dishonest. IDK how old you are, but when i grew up we were always told "if you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" hiding behind criticism is simply a ruse. Do you find it ok if someone was to walk up to you in public and criticize you? you'd probably find it rude and offensive as would anyone so "it's just criticism" really doens't fly The dev chooses to design that character that way. you say my comment is subject to criticism, i agree, as is yours. but your "jesus fucking christ" attitude shows you don't want criticism you just want people to agree with you and get outraged. My view isn't for or against. it's simply live and let live. If you don't like something, be an adult and ignore it. don't buy it, don't support it. that simple.
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GamingThread SHADOW OF THE TOMB RAIDER (XBO/PS4/PC) - Announcement Teaser (coming Sept. 14; full reveal April 27)
Reason User warned for trolling and console warring
The X version will probably be sabotaged again so those filthy people can feel good about their purchases.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User warned: for the last time, stop trolling and derailing the thread. Final warning
Oh thanks, so Sniper Elite 4 on PS4 I see, came out this year, I’ll have a look I must say though, all this killing, especially sniping, is really violent Shouldn’t we also be more offended about ourselfs that we kill people all the time in so many games? I dont know Anyway, thanks for the tip
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned for: personal attacks
This really does not help your content for anyone not carrying a soap box. Being a condescending fuckwit only makes you come off as a condescending fuckwit.
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GamingThread I can't believe one of the best JRPG of the gen was just released
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I'd totally buy this... on switch. I haven't touched my 3ds since christmas.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: for the 3rd time now (!), please use quote tags when posting large images in non-picture threads. You receive notifications when your posts are edited, so stop ignoring them.
I feel it really depends on the games subject manner and if the design is well done. For example I think Quiet has a really bad design because her outfit is really ugly and the design really doesn't fit in with MGSV really dark tone. But the women of Street Fighter always have some bangin designs because they were designed by some of the greatest illustrators in video game history and fit the wacky tone of Street Fighter.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: inflammatory and insulting bait; basic feminist critique is not "random internet radical feminism"
It works both ways. Most "problematic" female characters are actually written and designed by women so it's obviously not an issue for them. You're trying to paint this topic as poor women vs MEN when it's actually random internet radical feminist vs women in the industry. They are a creative force in the industry and they deserve praise.
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GamingThread Switch Rumor Archive Redux (Read posting rules in OP)
Reason User Banned (Permanent): Trolling, repeatedly ignoring thread rules despite previous warnings and a ban, long history of infractions.
Wanna know why? Because you keep responding to me, encouraging me to do it
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason Timeout (24): The OP answers all of your questions, but you choose to be rude and condescending instead, despite having 3 prior warnings. It's time to take a break from posting.
Maybe because you can't. :/ Stereotypes exist for a reason, because there's always more truth than lies to them. And there's nothing more obnoxious than having a righteous crusade torn to pieces by a godamn stereotype. I....actually know that all too well. Let me ask you a simple question: What the hell is wrong with sexualized characters - male and female alike? We have no problems with torture porn, or gore-fest shooters where you get points for shooting people in the nuts. But, whoa! A hot woman in a bikini? UNACCEPTABLE! Why do we glorify violence, something that life, while condemn sex, something that life? It doesn't compute. Now don't take this the wrong way - I'm more of a characterization guy. I'll take a good story and good character over character design any day. But why the fuck do we get so upset at something so innocuous at the end of the day? Like, who are we fooling?
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: do not be condescending and rudely dismissive. If the topic does not interest you, do not post in it.
But there are enough examples where women are not overly sexualised. Why not play these games instead and let other people enjoy their tiddies? It's really not that hard? When I don't enjoy something I don't play it. There are sooooo many games nowadays.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: ignoring the OP and posting off-topic, dismissive strawmen arguments
Let's try and bridge the real world with fantasy, and I'll be interested to hear your views. Why? Because like in the real world, people often have sexual desires/interests met fantasy. Are we going to agree dildos and fleshlights aren't sexist/misogynistic? What about males and females masturbating at night? (or whenever, in private) What about males and females using Tinder to hookup weekly with sex partners for fun and enjoyment? What about gossip and chat between friends of their desires/interests/sexual partners and so on? What about males or females, yes both, who want to dress scantily, in tight clothing, to accent their features or feel sexy/empowered? In relation to clothing, what about the cosplayers of the characters you deem problematic? Are they perpetuating harmful problematic views? Is this internalized misogyny just because people want to dress sexually? You see, this is where I seriously struggle with some of the incredibly Conservative views of some gamers. The realms of fantasy being treated more hostile than the real world. Of course, I expect you to come back as any proper feminist should and say sex toys are natural, masturbating isn't a sin, people having sex with 150+ partners a year doesn't make them a whore/bad person if it's all consensual and for fun. Talking to your friends about what turns you on/how good sex was last weekend, or that you find actor named x/y/z hot and they turn you on/you dream they'd fuck you, is healthy natural sex talk. People should be able to wear whatever they want, no matter how sexual, and still garner respect, it's their bodies and dress sense. Etc. Etc. Etc. However, turn to the world of fantasy, and some of you cannot wait to rush in with every single accusation/name calling/term possible, often without any evidence whatsoever of foul play/harassment/wrong-doing, other than there being sexualized polygons. Misogyny is hatred and contempt for women, for fuck sake. A fleshlight isn't hatred of women, nor is a sexual video game character unless there is evidence the creator is something sinister themselves. Most often it's just as I highlighted earlier, straight men catering to their fantasy desires, and this is backed up by actual psychology and biology, not blogs. Most often this is not people who hate women. Yes, actual individual behaviour in this industry can be shocking and appalling, but meeting that with blanket statements/accusations is incredibly intellectually dishonest and harmful. The social media and internet court in 2017 is downright childish and immature at times. Unsurprisingly, absolute rampant hypocrisy often follows this kind of behaviour. As in some people who state they how they are publicly, end up being the ones sitting at night masturbating, sexually pleasing themselves, watching porn, hooking up on Tinder, Googling cosplay of video game characters and more. All of which, I have zero problems with. It's all healthy and natural biological behaviour for a sexual species. What I do have a problem with is hypocrisy and heavy-handed accusations with zero evidence, as it doesn't make anyone a knight in shining armour, it often makes people incredibly ill-advised and hostile to reality. Well, that and of course the male feminist ally turns out to be a raging harasser/abuser is also something I have a problem with, you know, because that is evidence of foul play/abuse/problematic behaviour. Someone staring at their TV because Quiet is on show in no way is direct correlation that they hate and harass women. No more than someone putting sex toys in their body, or closing their eyes and masturbating whilst imaginging being fucked by whoever turns them on.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: constant whataboutisms, derails, wilful ignorance.... stop.
Maybe where you live But not where I live Actually, when a woman goes missing the search is always a bigger thing then when it’s a man And most soldiers that die are men And women are not hit by people And they get much time of work for free when they get children and men don’t Just some examples Where I live women are not treated less good than man, maybe even better than men Anyway MGSV is fantastic
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GamingThread EVENT OVER: Overwatch: Retribution - PvE / Story content / new PvP map / 60 new items
Reason User Warned: Drive-by inflammatory post.
I'll never understand why people continue to play and pay money towards this piece of shit game.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: unprovoked personal attacks
Well aren't you just open minded? The good news is that you can vote with your wallet and not buy games you deem sexist or misogynistic. You can write or tweet at developers or publishers who you deem to be perpetuating things you do not like; let them know they lost a sale. Personally, I do not want any sexualized in my video games, but to approach this with such a closed-minded attitude seems counter-intuitive to me. Good luck changing minds with that kind of attitude toward debate.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
Reason User was warned: do not come in a thread about women's voices to immediately dismiss women's voices and talk about "dudes complaining"
TBH I hear dudes complaining about sexualized designs more than women. And most of the cosplayers I know will actively flock to those designs way quicker than any others. It may be bad in practice, but people seem to enjoy it regardless. Gladio is just as bad as Cindy. The dude is wearing black leather pants with a leather jacket and no shirt. I switched his outfit to alternate almost immediately.
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GamingThread Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
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GamingThread DigitalFoundry: Hitman on Xbox One X: The Complete Tech Analysis
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Of course Sony wanted to win head to head videos as well...if you think for a second that DF comparison videos are not something on the radar of the console manufacturers than you're crazy... What do you think the point of "true 4k gaming" is? So they can freaking brag about it! If DF videos were not important, then they wouldn't have bothered to do that series of videos with DF going in depth with the hardware Marketing is all about word of mouth, if you think DF hasn't played a MASSIVE part in that the past 2 generations you're CRAZY or just a delusional fanboy... Everyone knew the 360 dominated DF comparisons last gen...every knew the PS4 was dominating this gen...
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GamingThread Final Fantasy XV Windows Edition PC performance thread
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Does that SpecialK mod have that retarded anti pirated system check like it had for nier in order to use?
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GamingThread Splatoon 2 Ver 3.0 announced + Octo Expansion single player DLC (playable Octolings finally)
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Red Text MOD EDIT: Removed inappropriate video.
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GamingThread Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze coming to Switch
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This thread just highlights that Nintendo fans are fucking weird. "Please Nintendo, screw me harder. All these unique assets, I should pay double just to support you! Please re-release Mario 1 for $20 too so I can support you, you need my support"
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GamingThread Labo only sold 30% of it's initial shipment in Japan, didn't boost Switch sales
Reason User Warned: Ignoring mod post, thread whining
Nah, you made a shitty thread, without context, without information about the product, oblivious to a holyday that will help sell Labo, and the reason Nnintendo shipped a lor more units. and now you play the victim. The definition of petty.
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GamingThread Labo only sold 30% of it's initial shipment in Japan, didn't boost Switch sales
Reason User Warned: "No True Nintendo Fan" disingenuous arguments, bringing up off-topic things to provoke
Big time. Indie studios that port their games to the switch have nearly universally said how the switch is their best selling platform. Actual games sell on the console and hopefully Nintendo sees this and keeps the gimmicks to a minimum. I do think super fans like you said seem to be using their support for all Nintendo products as some sort of guage for how much they love Nintendo. I really enjoy them but to me a true fan is willing to call a company out on bad ideas. Kind of like the fans pretending that the DCEU movies are good.
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GamingThread God Eater 3 confirmed for PS4 and Steam
Reason Member has been warned: drive-by post that only fuels console wars and adds nothing to the topic.
What's even funnier is that it's coming from the fanbase which in the past several years kept saying "who cares about third party, nintendo games are good enough", home console wise. It's amazing to see.
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GamingThread God Eater 3 confirmed for PS4 and Steam
Reason Member has been warned: back seat modding.
Folks, Monster Hunter World has come along and proven that there's a big market for these types of games on non-handheld platforms, so if you could give the subtle-but-not-so-subtle port begging a rest, that would be great.
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GamingThread God Eater 3 confirmed for PS4 and Steam
Reason Member has been warned: drive-by post that adds nothing to the discussion. We do not need meta-commentary.
Damn, this thread is nothing about the actual announcement or the game. I am out.